[DAB]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.

Yeah...and I remember being expelled from Sunday School for suggesting Creationism was flawed.

Funny...fundermentalists seem to be there in ALL religions.

I love the fact that all these threads seem to be based on empahasis on certain words - with the arguments centering on their western meaning. Given the differences between English and my First Language (Welsh), there is no way that I am happy to make such presumptions

After all, literally translating terms for marrying from Welsh to English - you would get a phrase in English that suggests I own my wife. Let me assure you, we don't do that in North Wales.

Anouther example is that if you typed 'love' into an online translation dictionary - you would get 'Cariad'. Yet I would never say Cariad to my girlfriend, because the world has cultural connitations that means the only person who can acceptably use it is her father.

My point is that word empahsis is different in Indo European Germanic languages then it is to a Brythonic Celtic language and certainly very different to a Semitic Afro-Asiatic Language which is Arabic.

So short of you all getting out your dictionaries, translating the original text - and then proving the word context of all the verbs and adjatives in every sentace - all these arguments are actually useless. Because they are interpretations based on your word use, not a Muslims.

top tip from DAB: You won't be able to prove your arguments even then because interpretration will differ from one continent to the next.