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Originally Posted by caspofungin
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I can't get a straight answer from one Muslim on this board and I suspect that reason is that they are instructed to follow ALL of the Koran to the letter
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ask a straight question, i'll do my best to give you a straight answer. |
OK....Avon Lady quoted this one a few days back and was not answered with any thing substantial only physco babbling comparisions with the Bible.
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Surah 5, verse 38:
As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power
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Where EXACTLY is this to be followed or not to be...and is that maybe the problem with Islam that it does not make itself clear enough or does it leave itself an "Out" so as not to take responsability for it's actions...?
My meaning in that people continually try to draw a direct connection in that Christians did these things in the old days of the Bible so hence it must be accepted behavior now...I tell you it is Not accepted behavior and I state "Why"..."IE"...under a new law... a New Testament is why we do not follow the "Old Ways".
Where ...if any... is the text in the Koran that says anything different than the above verse and how to deal with a thief?
We'll start there..don't give me opinions give me quotes from the book.
From Konovalov
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The reference to male or female in the Holy Qu'ran for the Surah and Ayah that you quoted tie in with the Sharia and this is applicable if that person is a healthy adault, i.e. NOT a minor or a mentally disturbed person. This rule applies to hadd or hudud, tazir, and qisas crimes which are basically the groupings for the seriousness of the crime.
And further with regards to Ayah 38 of Surah 5 where this part of the Qu'ran touches on jurisprudence. The Canon Law jurists are not unanimous as to the value of the property stolen, but the vast majority hold that petty thefts are exempt from punishment such as the cutting off of a hand.
Perhaps you don't get it AL. May be you should stick to the Torah and Halacha.
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To me...what Konov is saying is that if a person is a quote "Normal" adult male or female and they steal....they lose a limb?...did I read this right?...
To me you saying the "the vast majority hold that petty thefts are exempt from punishment such as the cutting off of a hand" only says to me that those who don't follow this are in Error and to considered an infidel themself....help me out here.
Where are the vast majority allowed to decide this?