[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

When what Ive read , reads like every other cop hatred thread i have read, your damn right its gonna get pigeon holed.

Once again, this is not intended to invite discussion on how much we (allegedly) hate cops.
Pigeon-Holeing. So you are lumping me into the group of cop haters? Nice. Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Oh, and one thing ive always wondered about cop hatred threads, is how many people who bitch about cops, obey the law in the first place. If you watch the above video, i personally cleared in the first step.

Obey the law.

Yea, so? Obey the law, ofc. But what has that got to do with the passenger asking the cop something and the cop telling the guy to shut his mouth?
Sorry, don't see the correlation here.
Ask a cop something, without aggression, without swearing, without sarcasm, end-result: Shut your mouth! Nice cop, full of civilty. So why don't all cops say to people: shut your mouth then?
I've been pulled over for random breath tests, speeding and have encountered professional police men and women and when i have asked them questions, which by the way i am entitled to do they haven't replied with: shut your mouth.
If they did, then i would take offence to that and possibly take it further.

Of NOT of my own accord, ive been detained by the cops, twice that i can recall. Both times were not of my doing, but my drunken Ex's doing. (loud and biligerant in the first incident, lying to the cops on the second incident, and i was nowhere around, i was at home, modding SH4. ) I remained calm, polite, did as instructed, always told the truth, and both times I walked away, without a scratch, either physically or legally.

Not much different from the passenger asking a question, although the circumstances are different, but, asking a general question is not illegal, nor is it against the law.

Originally Posted by gimpy117

working in a meat dept. dosen't either...but I am Expected to deal with people in a calm and respectful manner no matter what. If a 19 year old making 8.50 an hour is expected to act this way, a trained police officer on a traffic stop damn well better act like that too. Even if the passenger did "speak disrespectfully" the police officer is the professional, nobody else gets to behave in this manner and not get in trouble at work.

Agree, at the end of the day, you treat people how you want to be treated.
Doesn't make any difference where you work or what you do.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Working as a retail clerk behind a counter, is not the same thing. As a retail clerk, your talking to the customer. Your trying to get that person to buy something from you.

I doubt if that's the point he was making, he was generalising, i think.
Treat people how you want to be treated.
Wearing a badge doesn't make that any different.

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You are trying to compare vastly different jobs in your line of work(and most peoples) the possibility of encountering a possibility violent person is highly un-likely the odds that a cop will is highly likely and would require them to maintain control of a situation as best as possible.All I can say is walk a mile or two in cops shoes (or more like a year or two) and see things from their perspective rather than having a most of them are big heads attitude.

Aha, yea sure i get that a cop's job is dangerous etc etc.
But, that is not the point of this discussion, is it?
We are not debating how dangerous a cop's job is.
We are debating that a cop should have some resemblance of civilty and act with a bit of professionalism.
Not tell a guy to shut his mouth.
Pretty primitive imo.

If one cant take strong verbal statements/someone in authority telling you what to do explicitly all I can say is they should stay far away from the military because they would really dislike basic training and the military as whole as commands given are not to be questioned and by law the same applies to any person when a law enforcement officer is telling you to do something.Anyone who served will tell you that some superiors where good and fair and other where not but that they respected the rank and authority that their position warranted and most times extremely bad apples got dealt with in the correct manner.The same rules can be applied to civilian law enforcement.

Once again, i don't think that is the point of this discussion.
No-one it seems has a problem with getting told what to do here.
Once again, i re-iterate that the discussion is about how one person speaks to another.

I don't know about the rest of you but i was always raised with the belief that it is ok to question things.
To ask questions, in a civil and polite manner.
And i will continue to ask questions if and when i am entitled to, which is pretty much everywhere.
It is my human right. That to me is more important than some clown telling me to shut my mouth if and when i ask a question.