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Old 04-22-11, 08:35 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen View Post
I'd say that in the microcosm of recent history, our dependence on oil has been the greatest threat to our national security. It requires us to do business with those that hate us, and also requires that we spend obscene amounts of money in insuring that we are able to mobilize to protect our interests from those very same people.
Spot on. I agree 100%.

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The US debt is generally in paper like Treasury bonds, bills and notes. Bondholders can't suddenly demand payment on bonds. Since bonds are for a fixed term there's no means by which to extract payment prior to the bonds maturation date. The US government pledged no physical assets when these bonds were sold to foreign parties. All T-Bond holders are unsecured creditors. If the US continues to do well economically, the bondholders get repaid with interest. If the US economy falters, the bondholders get stuck with the consequences.

What China COULD do in lieu of kneecapping, is refuse to buy any more paper. Should the US government make a T-bond offer and not all bonds are purchased, then guess what? The budget deficits cannot be financed, and the government runs out of money. Meaning, no more checks sent out to any government workers, any government contractors, no military personnel, no nothing. And no emergency midnight spending bill in Congress is going to make any difference, Congress can authorize additional deficits all they want, but if the investors don't buy the bonds, then the government has no cash to operate.

Another danger is not of “foreclosure” by foreign bondholders (for which no legal venue exists) but of total collapse of the US Dollar. That would immediately erase trillions of dollars of foreign equity (since T-bonds are redeemable only in US Dollars, not UK Pounds, Yen, Euros, or gold bullion).
Spot on as well. What people fail to realize is that our relationship with China is symbiotic - we need them to buy our debt just as much as they need us to buy their manufactured goods. The United States is the largest consumer market in the world, and they have a vested interest in keeping us solvent and keeping our economy healthy.

For a little perspective: China owns less than 10% of outstanding US Treasury debt. US Individuals and institutions own around 42%.
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