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Sailor Steve · 04-08-11, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mouftic

And yes you did argue the "normally" for high death rates in the following quote.

Yes, you're correct. I misspoke, or mistyped. My objection was to the use of the term for depth charge explosions.

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So you are saying that in all the unrecorded sinkings, there was not secondary explosions from ammunitions or depth charges.
By saying "let's speculate", I mean it surely did happen. I highly doubt they were quiet sinkings.

Again the speculation. "Highly doubt" is not a reference.

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Now those are strong statements without facts.

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Why would you say he's just guessing? If he is mentionning it, it must be because it did happen. He clearly didnt say it was because of "that other rapid sinkings happened because there was a problem with hatch seals on all those ships." now did he.

Because he provides no evidence or examples. My point was that anyone can say anything. Without evidence it's just noise. Just because he got a book published doesn't mean his research was thorough, or his unsupported statements should be taken as fact.

Remenber this quote:

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"AB T.D.H. Malone had set the depth charges to “safe” before the ship was struck and this action undoubtedly saved many lives. But he himself was not one of the survivors. Malone received no official recognition for doing his duty but he is remembered with gratitude by those who were rescued.

Why would they even mention it if it was not a common occurence.

A valid question, but a question is not an answer. He could have mentioned it to give praise to a fallen hero, or you could be right. Was it a common practice to have depth charges not set to 'safe' when just cruising? I don't know. It seems odd to me, but there I'm just speculating.

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Well mister careful researcher

Are we stooping to insults now? I don't trust anything until it's shown.

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I would be very interessted to see you prove that fact that they where uncommon at best.

I think I've done that adequately. Out of 27 examples (and I didn't pick and choose, I went straight down the list, which is easily verifiable), 20 made no mention of depth charges exploding, 3 did, and 4 mentioned that the ship immediatedly exploded, which implies a magazine detonation.

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From all my research so far, there is nothing uncommon about it.

All your research so far consists of one book and two or three references which agree with you. Until you look at every single example and list the good with the bad you've done no research at all.

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You can keep playing the devil's advocate, I find this rather amusing.

This isn't politics or religion. There's no need to be rude, smug or superior. I like a good debate, and believe it or not I don't mind being proven wrong. The only time I get like this is when someone makes a claim I find questionable, and then I question it.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should be not victory, but progress."
-Joseph Joubert