Western culture gone too far ? In light of clash...
It's a pity.
The longer this thread with its very interesting subject runs, the more it goes off topic.
This thread should not be about the question if a God exists and if so, which one.
It is about human convictions. Humans are religious beings anyway. The basic of our knowledge is belief or conviction, as the last postings of this thread clearly show. If you believe there is/are no God/gods, than that's also a conviction.
The real point is that in Europe - and much of the Western world - we happen to live in - as it is called - the Judeo-Christian tradition, that has shaped us all irrespective of our personal religion. For a long period this tradition expressed itself in the omnipotent Roman Catholic church. Through critical thinking by philosophers from (within) this church (!), the Renaissance brought new knowledge of the lost Greek thinking about philosophy and politics. Struggling, with, within and sometimes even without the Catholic Church, this introduction of Classic thinking led to Humanism, an erosion of the political power of the Catholic Church and the rise of Protestantism.
Slowly but surely basic human values as we know them in the Western world started to evolve from what was becoming a pan-European culture. The philosophy of the Enlightment and its political consequence, the French Revolution, heralded the basic separation between State and Church. This was to the benefit of both, the state could defend the freedoms of which Christian and Humanistic thinking profited.
For centuries the Church has been a 'keeper' of those values. However, during the last century a tragedy occurred that greatly eroded the moral power of European values. I mean the disasterous though short-lived rise of the basically irrationalistic cultural countersurge of Fascism and National Socialism (Nazism), with all its consequences.
In my opinion this could well be one of the causes of our loss of faith in Western values and in our cultural right of existence.
Look at the word "nationalism". Normal idom for an identifying force in almost all non-European countries, National Socialism manipulated its meaning in something terrible like national supremacy over others (which true nationalism should not be). Being nationalistic, like I am, is considered political incorrtect to the utmost, especially by people who don't know the true meaning of the word. We should all be... yeah, what? The obvious alternative is "Multiculturalists"...
Nationalism in the true sense means the right of yours and everybody else's nation of self-determination, keeping its own values and identity intact.
What we urgently need is a European nationalism to keep our European values and identity intact.
Should we all become Christians?
No, only if we are convinced (like I am).
Should we all be aware of the Christian values as I described them above, that have shaped our continent and spread over the Western world, mostly as a blessing?
Absolutely.
Should we be critical of our Western values?
All the time. But please, not the criticism that I so often (sadly) see in this thread. A criticism based - it seems - on nihilism. Doubting everything including our culture and ultimately ourselves. I promote a criticism that is aware of the superiority of our values.
Superiority? Should I be banned from the forum?
Yes, superiority. Like Jewish and Greek values were superior in ancient times and therefor survived. Our criticism should be constantly shaping and adapting them to higher standards, resulting in better rules and laws, a better economic and social policy, an inspiration for the European citizens.
But then, doesn't superiority of Western values imply inferiority of other cultures?
Not necessairily. Among many good and noble thoughts, among many workable political systems, among many good footbal teams, one can be superior. If you don't believe in the superiority of your own set of rules and standards, you should switch to another set of values...
Do these superior European (Western) values tend to suppress other cultures?
An interesting question that can't be answered with an outright 'yes' or 'no'. It depends on the cultures involved. The basic human freedoms of our culture are a garantee for the liberty of all, as long as our set of values - including its liberties - are respected by the other culture involved.
That's why so many people from different cultures are immigrating to and settling in Europe, North America and Australia, the Western world.
That's why so many people from the Muslim culture have problems settling in Europe, North America and Australia, the Western world.
Simply because the mainstream Muslim culture can't (yet) cope with the values of the West and wants to impose its values on our society...
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