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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well you open the door when you imply that Detmers and his crew were somehow mistreated when even a cursory review of the historical record shows they were treated very correctly as were all German prisoners who were held by the Commonwealth authorities.

Yea true, i could have done better here, in relation to attempting to stress a point or otherwise there.

what irks me everytime is when I see stories that minimise German atrocities in WW2 or somehow equate that the US/Commonwealth committed excesses on the same scale as the Nazis. Germany in WW2 committed monstrous atrocities.

Well, i will have to challenge that because i don't know where you are getting your information from but I constantly see or hear that the Germans committed horrible acts in WW2 and whenever subjects of this nature come up that the German-bashing is rife and alive, has been since the war and still is to this day.
Every person, and i mean every person i have ever entered into a discussion with about the 'role', if you will of Germany in WW2 has been a continual "well, the Germans were all bad, all Germans were Nazis, the Germans and the attrocities they committed were so terrible that... blah blah blah" that it's incredibly difficult to continue a discussion or even attempt to have open-minded or mature points to make to someone.
The point i am making here is that, yes, we know the Germans committed horrible crimes against Humanity, and we know that the Nazis were undeniably and without a doubt wrong in their ideology and their thoughts and actions.
So? And i mean that with the utmost diplomacy here, what i mean by so? is that we know all this, we know this happened, yet we always fall back to this usual rubbish point-making when we speak of anything even remotely that can be considered as questioning what happened in WW2 or questioning the Allies and some of their actions either during the war or post-period.
THAT is what gets me, and to deny that this happens is wrong.
Unfortunately history has been written, we can't change that, what we can change though is our attitudes and learn from history, so that the same mistakes don't happen again.
I think a lot of people still have a problem with letting things go, to continually rub the shame of what the Nazis did in WW2 into the Germans' faces of today.

The western allies also made mistakes.

Yes they did, i was attempting to highlight some of these, difference is that i was not generalising or lumping ALL Allies into one basket.
History tells us this was so, not all Allies committed mistakes, ofc not.
So, why this double standard then, history tells us that not all Germans were bad, or committed crimes against humanity. Etc etc.
It always touches a sore spot when questiong the History writers, which in this case is the Allies.
The Victors feel uncomfortable when they are questioned about what they have written down on paper, called History.

Q: Were the two on the same level? A: not even close.

Ofc not.

p.s. - the wikipedia article you quoted on the treatment of POWs by the Western Allies above is grossly distorted. I dont know who wrote it, but obviously someone with an axe to grind.

Grossly distorted? Why? Because you think so? Or it's 'too' unbelievable that this could have happened or that the Allies could have actually done this?
Once again, why is it so bad to question history? Or, in this case, why is it so unbelievable or grossly distorted that this happened?

Originally Posted by August

I read through your post and didn't see where you actually address this point. So are those "acts of so called revenge by Germans, supposedly inflicted on Russian prisoners" true or false, and how does the apparently better treatment of German POW's by the Allies relate to it either way?

Yes, it doesn't make sense my original post:

Now, onto acts of so-called revenge by Germans, supposedly inflicted on the Russian prisoners taken from Operation Barbarossa
and i'll quote:

What it should have said is:
Now, onto acts of so-called revenge OR acts of wrong-doings by Allies and in some of the following quotes, by Russians on German POW's taken from Operation Barbarossa, and i'll quote:

Makes more sense. I was quoting those to make a point, in relation to Bilge_Rat's post.

And with that, i think i have just derailed my own thread.