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Old 03-15-11, 09:06 AM   #2
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I looked into this a bit more and have not found one reference to any person who thinks the treatment of Detmers and his crew by the Australians was a "form of revenge".
The source of my post was from here , from Principal Sources listed at bottom of page.

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They were treated in accordance with the Geneva convention, were housed, fed, clothed, kept in a POW camp with other prisoners.
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Detmers was hospitalised for three months after a stroke.
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A real example of a "form of revenge" is the way the Germans treated their prisoners. During Barbarossa in 1941, 3,300,000 Soviet soldiers were captured by the German Army. By march 1942, 2,800,000 had died in German POW camps.
Well, i'm not sure what you are implying here, if you are referring to me underlining the part about being in internment for 21 mths after the war and the part about revenge, i certainly wasn't inferring that that is my sole belief. I underlined them to stress a a point in the article.
Now, onto acts of so-called revenge by Germans, supposedly inflicted on the Russian prisoners taken from Operation Barbarossa
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During the war the Armies of Allied nations such as the US, UK, Canada and Australia were ordered to treat Axis prisoners strictly in accordance with the Geneva Convention (1929). Some breaches of the Convention took place, however. According to Stephen E. Ambrose, of the roughly 1,000 US combat veterans that he had interviewed, roughly one-third told him they had seen US troops kill German prisoners.
Towards the end of the war in Europe, as large numbers of Axis soldiers surrendered, the US created the designation of Disarmed Enemy Forces (DEF) so as not to treat prisoners as POWs. A lot of these soldiers were kept in open fields in various Rheinwiesenlagers. Controversy has arisen about how Eisenhower managed these prisoners
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After the surrender of Germany in May 1945, the POW status of the German prisoners was in many cases maintained, and they were for several years used as forced labour in countries such as the UK and France. Many died when forced to clear minefields in Norway, France etc.; "by September 1945 it was estimated by the French authorities that two thousand prisoners were being maimed and killed each month in accidents
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In 1946 the UK had more than 400,000 German prisoners, many had been transferred from POW camps in the US and Canada. Many of these were for over three years after the German surrender used as forced labour, as a form of "reparations
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Those held in Soviet-occupied territory fared far worse. Officially, the Soviet Union took 2,388,000 Germans and 1,097,000 combatants from other European nations as prisoners during and just after the war. More than a million of the German captives died. The immense suffering Germany and her Axis partners had caused surely played a key role in the treatment of enemy POWs. "In 1945, in Soviet eyes it was time to pay," wrote British military historian Max Arthur. "For most Russian soldiers, any instinct for pity or mercy had died somewhere on a hundred battlefields between Moscow and Warsaw.
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According to some sources, the Soviets captured 3.5 million Axis servicemen (excluding Japanese) of which more than a million died. One specific example of the tragic fate of the German POWs was after the Battle of Stalingrad, during which the Soviets captured 91,000 German troops, many already starved and ill, of whom only 5,000 survived the war.
German soldiers were for many years after the war kept as forced labour. The last German POWs (those who were sentenced for war crimes, sometimes without sufficient reasons) were released by the Soviets in 1955, only after Joseph Stalin had died.
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The conditions German POWs endured on the Eastern Front are beyond description. Shipped to separate camps in Siberia and elsewhere in the western Soviet Union, the German POWs were subjected to aggressive reeducation in communist ideology, as well as frequent beatings, torture, and execution. Food was always scarce.
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Most German POWs were held for ten years after the war.
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And if that is not enough then my parents have some horror stories of their own, experiencing the Allies, in particular the Russians exercising revenge.

Sorry if i have gone overboard here, it is not my intent to aggravate or to be aggressive here, but it irks me everytime i see the eveil German stories.
No harm done i hope Bilge_Rat











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