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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Yes he allowed it, it was a test, not in the sense that you or i think, a 'playing games' sort of test, no, this was not in that sense.

Wait, so omniscient god needs to run tests? Whatever for?

Not at all, no setup here, Adam still had a choice, chose Apple, or chose to go without. No force was used to have Adam succumb to evil. None whatsoever, he chose, with his own free mind, which God had given him. So no setup.

Yes, it is a setup. They are punished for making a choice without anyway of knowing the consequences of that choice. How could they have knowledge of good and evil without first eating from the tree? It's a catch 22.

God said "don't eat from that tree, cuz ur dead if you do." God doesn't say it's evil to eat from it. Just that man shouldn't eat from it. You'd think an omniscient being would be more careful with his language.

And how do Adam and Eve have any knowledge of what death is in paradise? How do they know that they must obey god? It's a pretty poorly thought-through test for being the product of the creator of the universe.

It's not him that is dooming us to Hell, as you claim, it is us.

If the only way to the father is through the son, and faith supersedes deeds, then god doomed the majority of the world's population for millenia, because they had to wait that long before even having the opportunity to believe in Jesus in the first place.

Indeed, it's funny how the distribution of saved people on Earth is so dependent on geography. It's almost as if it's just a story made up by people for whom the Mediterranean basin was more or less the extent of the known world.

Surely you cannot tell me that it's God's fault for the murder, the rape, the pilliging, the centuries of mankind killing oneanother off, etc etc.

Yes, you can. When god issues a commandment condoning lifelong slavery, or protecting a slave owner from punishment if the slave he has fatally beaten lingers before dying (I guess the slave's family doesn't deserve justice in god's eyes), then yes, you can blame god for the evil of slavery. You can also blame him for the idea that women are property, that rape is not a big deal, and that pillaging and war are perfectly acceptable, as he commands and oversees so much of it in the OT. And you can blame him for the crimes of inaction that he committed while he was supposedly among us in human form. Jesus could have prevented so much suffering by saying "Don't own slaves" or "Never kill in my name" or "Don't torture" or "Treat men and women equally". But he didn't.

Oh well, I guess doing things like ensuring that there would be enough refreshments for a local wedding party took priority over that stuff.


God is omniscient. He knows what's in his book. Yet he does nothing about it. How is that not blameworthy?

Thank God( no pun intended) that we weren't created perfect.

Huh? Why is imperfection a good thing?

Easy really, if you are a true believer. The Holy Bible.

You defended the creation story earlier. Did you notice that there are two contradictory creation stories in Genesis, and that they can't both be right?

What does that say about the bible, when there's a glaring contradiction on the very first page?

Why is it not our place to question it?