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CCIP · 03-05-11, 11:24 AM

What's with this "you're against them or you're with them" logic? What's the alternative, then?

As I see it, this is advocacy for one of two things:
1) Isolating self from large part of the outside world and arming self to teeth, preparing for 'inevitable' conflict.
2) Action - we have a 'final solution' of sorts against Islam.

Again, are those two really even options? This is exactly the cause of the "our sonofabitch" doctrine that, in many ways, has brought us here. I don't care what name or cause you use to justify it, if you prop up unjust and undemocratic regimes, people will eventually rise up and you'll get burned as a result.

I'm not saying that some of the current support and enthusiasm isn't misguided - of course it is! Of course it's not all pretty flowers and democracy and world peace! As with any and every revolution, there will be an ugly morning after and possibly uglier swing back to the other extreme.

On the other hand what do you want? Again, where does your logic lead? I'm only seeing the above-listed options 1) and 2), and that doesn't tell me a whole lot of good about where you stand. If you genuinely believe in those, then hey, you probably deserve whatever Sharia says should happen to you.

03-05-11, 11:24 AM	#15
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	What's with this "you're against them or you're with them" logic? What's the alternative, then? As I see it, this is advocacy for one of two things: 1) Isolating self from large part of the outside world and arming self to teeth, preparing for 'inevitable' conflict. 2) Action - we have a 'final solution' of sorts against Islam. Again, are those two really even options? This is exactly the cause of the "our sonofabitch" doctrine that, in many ways, has brought us here. I don't care what name or cause you use to justify it, if you prop up unjust and undemocratic regimes, people will eventually rise up and you'll get burned as a result. I'm not saying that some of the current support and enthusiasm isn't misguided - of course it is! Of course it's not all pretty flowers and democracy and world peace! As with any and every revolution, there will be an ugly morning after and possibly uglier swing back to the other extreme. On the other hand what do you want? Again, where does your logic lead? I'm only seeing the above-listed options 1) and 2), and that doesn't tell me a whole lot of good about where you stand. If you genuinely believe in those, then hey, you probably deserve whatever Sharia says should happen to you. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)