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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!
What are his motives for these stupid calls?
I don't know much about him but what levels of infuence, if you will, does he have on German Turks?
Whichever way you look at it, he is wrong.
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Hard to say how huge his influence is. Despite Erdogans claims or (wishful) thinking from some people, Turks don't necessarily equal islamistic and/or nationalistic. So he is in fact seen controversial in the turkish community.
His utterings that being against islam means being against Turks are not believed by everyone.
There were about 10000 people who watched him, they came from other cities and neighbouring countries. Protests came from german conservative groups, kurds, lefts wanted to protest too - each group on their own.
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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!
Is that what he said? Or is that what you think?
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here's an interview with him in german, given before his speech:
http://www.rp-online.de/politik/deut...id_969694.html
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Erdogan might be a crazy loon but that isn't what he said.
He said they must integrate, that is a bit different from skybirds world where that translates as "not integrate".
He did however say they shouldn't assimilate which isn't the same as integrate.
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^ true that.
To be fair, in the whole debate about integration, no sane person ever spoke about assimilation or giving up one's language/culture, I'm sure Erdogan knows this too.
One point made him also sound like a lunatic: to demand that the Turks here should learn turkish first, then the country's language.
Very helpful! Maybe the Erdogan clown should also pay the translators they need when they are in contact with the authorities...
It must be said that many here can't speak neither good turkish nor good german.
Most (immigrant/mixed) couples I know of, they teach their children both languages. If you learn it at an early age, you can master 2 or more languages without an accent. Given however, that's a subjective pov I have, as I am no friends with muppets who want their kids to fail
