[jumpy]

Some interesting viewpoints here...
some of which I can understand, some not.
Here in the UK there is a growing trend to sacrifice rules and beliefs of the denizens of this land to the all powerful god of PC. This is particularily the case (or so it sometimes seems in the press) where 'minorities' are concerned rofl -reality check- who are the minorities in say, Birmingham or Bradford? not the muslims or pakistanis anymore that's for sure... not that this really matters much to me either way, it's just a point of clarification.
However, there is one thing which really pisses me off, allow me to explain: When I lived if a foreign country (Bahrain) it was my choice to respect local laws and customs of the land- when in rome, and all that. If you behaved appropriately you could stay and enjoy the hospitality of that land for as long as you wished; rock the boat and they'd deport you as soon as look at you, which in my estimation is a fair way to do business. I cannot imagine being allowed to publicly demand with plackards, for the death of the Emir of Bahrain, in the same way some here cry for the death of Blair, without some serious repercussions.
Question: why does this attitude no longer exish in the UK? how is it that any old tom, dick, or akhbar can come to my country and use to their advantage the laws protecting its citizens right to freedom of speech and expression, to promote hatred and to undermine the local status quo, and when anybody shouts STFU! they call the race card or hide under some leftie liberal mantle of political correctness?
This makes no sense. Indeed such aggressive people only see our freedom to say and do more or less as we please as weakness to be exploited to their own ends- how typical of those who live under the yoke of oppression (in whatever form, be it religious fundamentalism, or political extremism) to view something they have not, as something to look down on and to be taken advantage of.
How is any of this relevent?
Well, for a long time I have been serously reserved in my judjment of others and their actions, after all what right do I have to say how they should live their lives? This is changing- given the current world climate and trouble with radical islam, this is hardly supprising. Neal says who among the muslim community is going to clean their own house of those who give them a bad name? For sure this is not something we in the 'west' can advocate or promote overtly lest it be deemed as some kind of anti muslim sentiment to be resisted by 'our muslim brothers accross the world to stand against the infadel oppressors'. Yet as time goes on, I am tired of tip-toeing around people who would (to all intents and purposes) pass a sharp blade accross my throat in the name of islam, without a second thought.
Why should I, when walking through my home town of Leicester minding my own business, accept abuse and racist comments from a bunch of 'local' muslim lads calling me "white fu**er" and "christian dog" in leicestershire accents and listen the the vitreolic statements from so called 'muslim leaders' about how the faithful masses are going to rise up and overthrow the established rule of law and institute a 'muslim nation' in my country? what is so wrong here that this is deemed acceptable? Were it the other way round with me spouting the abuse, there would be an outcry about hatred and rights, but because it's a 'minority voice' we have to put up with their despite in the name of fairness- this is no minority anymore, it's a large proportion of the community here in the UK, one in which we should take steps to curb fannatical and offensive statments, just like any other section of the peoples of this country.
Is it really so supprising that the majority of moderate, civilised muslim devotees are being tarred with the same brush as the nutters? Afterall, is doing nothing to halt or prevent outbursts of such hatred and violence a tacit agreement to the overall cause? certainly there are plenty of people here who, rightly or wrongly, are starting to come around to this point of view.
There's always plenty of shouting when the question of race or antisemitism is envolved to the point where if an oppinion which differs or is controversial is aired, the speaker is accused of being a nazi or a fascist "wo*-hater" (I don't use this language to offend or infer my own personal feelings, it's yet another 'comment' I was on the recieving end of from those 'local lads' from my above paragraph. It could be said that I find such comments directed to wards me as racist and antisocial as anything to come out of the BNP recently).
All of this is symptomatic of the breakdown in relations between communities and within communities. Maybe I'm using the wrong words here, but where is the public jihad, in the muslim world at large, against radical, extremist islam? I cannot see it. Nor do I believe it will be forthcoming in the near future from the leaders who can really have an impact on the situation. Such sabre rattling as has come out of Iran recently is a clear indicatior of this.
I don't hate muslims, I don't really hate anybody (except perhaps and ex girlfriend of mine who lied and cheated on me but that's another story), but I can't see any real end or solution in appeasment of radicals (be they muslim, christian, jew, or other) in the hope that they'll be satisfied when the get what they want... *newsflash* they'll never be satisfied. Until we stamp them out the world will never be safe from bloodletting and suffering- whatever way I look at it, I don't like either choice; do nothing and suffer or take action and suffer. pfft I'm all for educating the ignorant, but some people are ignorant by choice and there is no changing them or enlightening their thoughts towards others and their beliefs.
As Superintendant Chalmers says: "Religion has no place within these walls!"
It's my position that the world should start taking notice and do something about sorting itself out, and soon, starting with the arab world first- wakeup and smell the coffe boys, you don't live in the dark-ages any more (I might add the same sentiment to anyone who is overly zealous in their religious duties or moves countries to 'support' their brethren in any religious endeavour or land dispute).

Originally Posted by Damo1977

Only Crims come from England!!!

lol Damo, but remember, we packed all of our miscreants of to ZO where they belong centuries ago, surely that has to count for something? :rotfl: :rotfl: