[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by redsocialist

I don't beleive "Americacuns" appeared out of no where. I know it was Europeans that came to this land, to take other lands with a different flag.

And yet you continue to blame 'America' of willfully exterminating three hundred million people, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth.

That assumption makes quite a bit of since and you just proved my point thank you. As for spain, yes spain is another imperialist country with just as many deaths/crime as the American Empire.

Which American Empire is that?

yes, spain probably was more brutal, however we supported the fascists in spain in 1937.

Which has what to do with either the original topic or your 'brutality' comparison?

Sidebar:

would of volunteered if I was around that time.

It's "would have".

I'm not trying to come across as hate or propaganda machine.

And yet you do, and here's why:

I do not agree or applaud the actions of Jospeh Stalin and the purges, however I beleive that the numbers said against him is not accurate, and a bad excuse to use against communism or socialism. Not all socialist states had little freedom. Socialist Federated Republic of Yugoslavia was just about as free as Americans have now inside they're country if not more.

There is nothing wrong with making those arguments, but you don't try to make those arguments. The first thing you do is launch into an anti-American tirade, accusing the US of being far worse than any other country that has ever existed. That's not a defense, that's an attack, and gets treated as such.

[quote]I know there are arabic governments against Israel that are dictatorships. So what? I hate the zionist Israeli government for the murder and genocide, as well as the illeagle occupation of Palestinians.[quote]
There are Arabs in the Israeli government, and Arabs within the borders of Israel are treated the same as everyone else. In Arabic countries Jews are not tolerated at all.

As to the Palestinians, up until 1967 Jordan owned that land. The bordering Arab states attacked Israel, and Israel won. Part of that winning was to take the West Bank, which the Arabs had used to attack. No one ever complained about the plight of the Palestinians under Jordan - this only started when the Israelis were suddenly the "occupiers". The PLO under Yassir Arafat waged war against Israel, and when Israel retaliated they were labelled "agressors". Please show your claimed "genocide".

You asked me what I think... I'm sorry if I come across hateful but I really think the USA as a state is the world's biggest terrorist.

And you're certainly entitled to believe that, and even to argue it. What's wrong is the old saying "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

My point being I do not see any difference in dropping a Mk84 bomb from 65,000 ft saying "Mark 2, drop", and a insurgent in the middle east running to a building, with an IED, saying Alluahakbar.

Nor do I. The difference I do see, however, is that we actually try to avoid that where we can. The problem is that their type of "fighting" involves hiding among civilians and using them as shields. This means that we try to target the military, and sometimes civilians get hurt. They intentionally target civilians on a regular basis, and sometimes actually get some military. They are also willing to blow up any of their own people who disagree with them.

In reality, the Mk84 bomb kills 10 times as many civilians. Thats worse than the so called "terrorist".

You'll have to show that that's true.

Or the curfues set by the US military, the stomping in homes, and killing women, children, fathers because they are suspected "terrorist", is terrorism coming from the state of USA.

When some of our own commit atrocities we bring them to trial, and when the military fails we have a free press which puts them on the spot. When they do the same they justify it by saying that anyone who doesn't believe as they do must die.

Again, Skybird and I recently had a huge argument over the Muslims being allowed to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York City. The arguments aside, show me an Arabic country where a similar discussion would even be tolerated. If you or I wrote articles in any of them we would risk being arrested and possibly shot. Doesn't happen here, or in Germany. So in that respect we are indeed more free than any country you try to compare us to.

The rest of your argument, about us being "duped", obviously doesn't apply to many of us here. I could just as easily accuse you of being duped, or even brainwashed, based solely on your narrow viewpoint and faith-like conviction that you are absolutely right about everything you believe.