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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II
The system may be arbitrary, but the judgment in this case is correct. If we deny them this, the West are the arbitrary ones, not them.
I did not say that, did I.
I'll say that the Death Penalty may be argued on its effectiveness merits, but is well within the Western zeitgeist's "permissible range".
In any case, IMO while one may very fairly dispute what are crimes. So no it is no problem to not extradite the women you said above, or for that matter a "political criminal" back to China.
IF, however, it is something that both moral system agree are crimes, be it murder or border violation, it is great cultural arrogance to not permit extradition because you think the punishment is too great.
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They
hiked. Man, come back to your senses. You should know what is to be expected of their legal system. The lawyers of the two men still there have been excluded from the first day of trial, and they have been denied access to them in the days before the trial. And you know damn well that for the Iranians this is not about law and justice, but poltical propaganda scorings.
You are defending an injust and inhumane regime that does not know independent justice and commits murder and torture against its own people, where rape victims get stoned for their offence and virgins in prison got gang-raped by prison guards so that death penalty could be executed on them, for now they were no more virgins. I give piss for such laws and moral standards, and I tell everybody right in his face that he is a barbar and a hypocritical primitive thug if he defends stuff like this.
And you
Scherzkeks want to debate hairsplitting details of the mutual relation between respect for laws and justice systems...?
Man, come back to your senses.
Volksgerichtshöfe do not deserve any respect and loyalty - not the past German ones, and not the present Iranian ones.
On the other hand, an iditoic pseudo-artist from germany, who declared the mass murder of 9/11 a piece of art whose stunning symbolism is second to none, got rewarded a peace award today from some German gremium. So maybe ridiculing and zynism like his and yours are en vogue for the modern present indeed, and I just live in the wrong time.
BTW, it does not matter whether or not states agree on suspects that are wanted for being extradicted actually being criminals. Eurppean states can agree that a suspect is a criminal and offender - but when he is being threatened with death penalty or torture, he nevertheless would not get extradicted: not to the Us and not to anyone else. Many states also have laws prohibiting the extradiction of own nationals, no matter their crimes. But these things are just formalities.