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Originally Posted by Skybird
Even me (athgeist), even you are influenced by cultural traditions, historical developements basing and deeply rooting in the basis of asncient Greek philosphy and Judaic-Christain tradition, both in good and bad. What we benefit from today, grew in parts by beinbg fostered by this tradition, but also often gre due to bitter resistance to this tradition.
I am no Christian, nor am I a Greek, nevertheless both have had tremendous influence over me actually turning out to be this "me" that I am, especially intellectually, and value-wise.
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The late pope Jean Paul II wanted to have a reference to europe's judaic christian roots in the european constitution (or more precisely constitutional treaty). Alas that was not to pass, mostly because we have a bunch of pussy politically correct people governing us. Just shows you how much we are willing to negate in order to appease everyone. There is nothing wrong in stating the historical truth. And europe is not just some abstract concept, it is defined historically, politically and culturally. And all this is being negated because of external influences trying to convert "europe" to some kind of international club comprising not only european countries but also countries in the middle east (there was talking of taking in israel for example
). What the hell ? Those that want some kind of amorphous europe (mostly americans for their own self interests of course) would they be willing to incorporate Mexico and Canada into a greater USA ? You know since they are in the same continent. Doesn't matter that historically, culturally and politically the US is as different from Canada as Canada is from Mexico.
So no to Turkey in the european union, and no to the maghreb countries and no to the middle eastern countries. Europe is a judiac christian club foremost (if you want to put it this way) and lastly a western club and a nato alliance.