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Originally Posted by gimpy117
Well how about all the Social security checks I've helped pay, even though I'm currently not on social security? do I get to be all mad because you guys are taking my money I'm paying in? I'm sorry. But I'm getting tired of all the "holier than thou" attitude where everyone who uses a social program is some kind of bloodsucking rabble...but you all deserve your cut because you are somehow better. I don't want to sound ungrateful to the military, and if you were drafted like in Vietnam or something thats special, you deserve respect...But we haven't had a draft since Vietnam, so essentially the military was your career choice, same as any other person in this nation, and you were paid off of our tax dollars to render us a service.
You also are missing the point. You act like If you pay for a socialized health care system is money wasted. Every thought that if you pay into the system, you also get the benefit if you become sick? So maybe you would grumble one day about oh it's so much and look at all these bums...but then the next day you break your leg and need to use the very same system.
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While we're on the topic of missing points: Veterans earned VA benefits. Firefighters, police officers, civil servants earn benefits. Of course not all of them do; some are goldbricks or corrupt; the systems within which they operate should be catching them. Same as civilian state benefit programs. There are lots of people who benefit from the programs. There are also lots who exploit the system to their ultimate profit, at the expense of us and the expense of the people who genuinely need the help. The systems should be catching them, too. I would rather know that my tax dollars were going to people genuinely in need, rather than to people who are taking me and everyone else for fools. What's wrong with that? Is that too "holier than thou?" I never said any of those were any better than anyone else.
On the subject of paying the military with tax dollars: Go ahead and stop paying the military. Enjoy your new freedoms.
Oh, by the way? You know who pays McDonald's CEO his US$13.4M (2010) salary? Yeah, that would be non-tax dollars. So which is a better use of money? Tax dollars that give that E-2 his US$1K a month, and his health care after he fights for you, or that six-dollar Happy Meal that's going to drain your health care system - if the consumer doesn't drop dead of a massive coronary first?
None of this has ANYTHING to do with my point: National service (of some sort) = National sponsored Health Care.
Where did I raise the issue of Social Security? And oh yeah, while we're at it. If it helps get you through the night, then here's a freebie: My mom died two months before she would have received her first Social Security. There's your money. You're welcome.
Social Security is going to end sometime, but let it end on someone else. GREAT way to encourage change.
You seem to think that I think that paying into a socialized health care system is wasted money. Create a system that helps people who are content to suck off the teat, and it IS a waste of money.
I have zero compunction paying into a system within which the beneficiaries have contributed to a better, cleaner, safer country. How hard is that to understand? Earn your help. That's not hard... but I guess it is "Holier than thou."