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Originally Posted by gimpy117
yes you did steve, you steve, you said: "It does not mean that you have the right to force someone else to pay for your problems"
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And I meant it. I was, however, not talking about health care, but the general liberal concept that it's okay to steal from someone else to fix any problem you deem worthy.
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Legislation to control health care costs will not cost the american, but you were talking about government programs: ie health care programs.
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And I stated that I can understand that, but it is not the Federal Government's job.
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no national police force? FBI? nobody complains here. Also, why is it bad for our police force to be a private organization for hire when your life is in jeopardy, but when your life in in danger when you need health care...its all a-ok?
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I thought you might try to squeeze that in. The FBI was created to handle the investigation of cases that ran through multiple jurisdictions, again adhereing to what I said earlier about "arbitrating between the states". It was emphatically not created to be a police force.
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ok, so he's talking about freedom of religion. that quote seems pretty irrelevant now.
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Yep.
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so it's ok for you to quote Jefferson for your own agenda...but not for me? Things go both ways. the only person who is sure what they really meant is those men. not us. So, you are doing the exact same thing when you assume Jefferson is on your side.
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Not really. I assume they meant what they said. The quotes I used are not ambiguous at all. You, on the other hand, quoted out of context and assumed it to mean what it did not. I don't assume Jefferson is on my side; I take him at his word. In areas where he was more liberal (and he was) I quote him as well.
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But we have that ability. to do so. There are many very good ideas that have been added later, like oh i dunno the abolition of slavery, womens suffrage, the barring of poll taxes, etc.
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By Amendment, not by legislation that tries to bypass both the Constitution and the Process. If the Constitution were amended to support a form of national health care I might oppose the idea, but I would certainly support the act itself, as that's the way it was meant to be done. Have I ever said that I opposed that?