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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
You're confusing me with someone else. I said nothing about any kind of health care; just that you're wrong in your statement about the "Government's job".
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yes you did steve, you steve, you said: "
It does not mean that you have the right to force someone else to pay for your problems"
Legislation to control health care costs will not cost the american, but you were talking about government programs: ie health care programs.
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Not really. We agree to pay taxes for the police because a volunteer police or fire department doesn't work in anything other than a small community, and a "per hire" version of those services could be a disaster. Also, those things are done at the State and Local levels. The Constitution doesn't provide for a national police force either.
As I said, I don't feel qualified to have an opinion on health care, universal or otherwise. It may be feasible on a state-by-state basis - I don't know. All I did was contradict a single erroneous statement. No "magic dust" at all.
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no national police force? FBI? nobody complains here. Also, why is it bad for our police force to be a private organization for hire when your life is in jeopardy, but when your life in in danger when you need health care...its all a-ok?
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
The exact quote you're stretching for is from the Notes on the State Of Virginia: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
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ok, so he's talking about freedom of religion. that quote seems pretty irrelevant now.
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
And you conveniently ignore Jefferson's comments on "a wise and frugal government". I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying you shouldn't be trying to pervert what those men said about how they felt to reflect what you "are sure" they really meant.
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so it's ok for you to quote Jefferson for your own agenda...but not for me? Things go both ways. the only person who is sure what they really meant is those men. not us. So, you are doing the exact same thing when you assume Jefferson is on your side.
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
And you say that if they thought it was perfect they wouldn't have made amending it a posibility. Fine. It says nothing about Federal Health Care. Go ahead and amend it then. Good luck.
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But we have that ability. to do so. There are many very good ideas that have been added later, like oh i dunno the abolition of slavery, womens suffrage, the barring of poll taxes, etc.