Quote:
Originally Posted by gimpy117
Ahh more libertarian magic dust.
|
No, just an historical observation. I wasn't trying to discuss the benefits or problems with nationalized health care, as I don't consider myself educated enough on the subject to adequately argue it. My comments were based specifically on your statement that "It's the governments job to make sure this right isn't being denied by things like extreme medical costs." All I said was that that was never intended to be the Federal Government's job. Your jibe about "Libertarian magic dust" shows your own ultra-liberal bias and willingness to give labels to anything you don't like.
Quote:
|
Im not saying the governemnt has to have universal health care (although it would be a good idea). I'm saying the government ought to do something about spiraling healthcare costs, and insurance companies screwing their customers. I think thats something we can agree on. But you seem to be dead set on jumping right to universal health care. And going off on some "don't take my money" tangent.
|
You're confusing me with someone else. I said nothing about any kind of health care; just that you're wrong in your statement about the "Government's job".
Quote:
|
which is ironic, because many of you have no problem paying for other socialized programs that help other people. Under your rational, I should be incensed that i'm made to pay for the cops. I mean, I've never had call the police...so why should i have to pay for all those people who can't defend their own homes, or are just so "stupid" to live in a bad area.
|
Not really. We agree to pay taxes for the police because a volunteer police or fire department doesn't work in anything other than a small community, and a "per hire" version of those services could be a disaster. Also, those things are done at the State and Local levels. The Constitution doesn't provide for a national police force either.
As I said, I don't feel qualified to have an opinion on health care, universal or otherwise. It may be feasible on a state-by-state basis - I don't know. All I did was contradict a single erroneous statement. No "magic dust" at all.
Quote:
|
on the subject on the Jefferson quotes, If those men thought everything they said was perfect in every way, we couldn't amend the constitution. Jefferson says something about "refraining men from injuring each other" I'm sure if he say an insurance company doing everything they could to deny coverage, when they needed it to get better, he would classify that as helping to injure somebody
|
The exact quote you're stretching for is from the Notes on the State Of Virginia:
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
And you conveniently ignore Jefferson's comments on "a wise and frugal government". I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying you shouldn't be trying to pervert what those men said about how they felt to reflect what you "are sure" they really meant.
And you say that if they thought it was perfect they wouldn't have made amending it a posibility. Fine. It says nothing about Federal Health Care. Go ahead and amend it then. Good luck.