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Originally Posted by MH
There are also those that will cling to anything that supports their antagonist views or say that the inquiry was fabricated.
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Only people who
want to think on their own can be change thier minds. There will always be people who will deny that there is a moon if Israel's astronoms say there is one
. But even if Erdogan would be convinced that the report makes sense, it would be a political suicide for him if he says so in public.
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Overall i think the incident showed a true nature of some organizations that try to portrait themselves as innocent peace organization whose sole propose is to fight propaganda war against Israel by manipulating mainly EU public.
It uncovered the hypocrisy of those organization and to some extent the whole Gaza issue.
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I believe that there also were activists with honest intentions on the boats. They must ask themselves however why they jumped into bed with an organization like this. Even before the incident it was known that the ship to gaza organization is not neutral, to understate a little... The people who participated just could have informed themselves beofre.
These people became the usefull idiots to show the credibility of the flotilla.
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The following are all yours Penguin, though I must say its rather funny that skybird seem to have an issue with you, did you upset him by calling his racial/religious bigotry akin to the writings in mein kampf?
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q??? did I make it on Skybird's ignore list? Don't know. lol if that is true. On some issued I agree with him
on others I just smack my head against the wall
I don't care what anybody thinks of me, but I leave the name-calling to others
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What is the nature of that conflict? Is it an international one between states?
That status is very questionable, after all what is the actual status of the territory?
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Territory of a piece of land in this context includes airspace and where applicable the sea, what is the position on that?
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Which is why they need to get definitive anwsers established on the status and nature of the issues before they can even attempt to claim legitimacy under law as they need to apply the correct laws.
In nearly every case there they are basing their "legality" on a dubious premise.
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just read the report, I am not Israel's lawyer, nor do I live there. I just build my opinion about the whole incident.
If you ask 2 experts for international law, you'll get 3 answers, if you ask 2 israeli judges, you'll get 4
. The different point-of-views are all documented in the report
Hamas has the political control over the territory, this is what matters for the Israelis. They are not at war with Gaza, or the palestine territories, but with a terrorist organization that is in political charge and de-facto control over the territory.
But the nature doen't matter in this case. Israek lets goods into gaza. We can discuss if that's enough, or if the wrong good are regarded as contraband. However speaking of starvation of the palestinians or talking about a holocaust in Gaza, seen on demonstrations or heard from arab statements, is not only tasteless but more than wrong
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And since the time of the incident they have changed their blockade policies because it was breaking that humanitarian law they were bound by.
If it was breaking those laws at the time of the incident then it cannot have been a legal blockade then.
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The big problem with the good they let into,is that much stuff can be used for more than one purpose. The example of concrete may be the most obvious, as it can be used for construction of houses and infrastucture as well as for building shelters. Even shelters are dual: they can be used to protect civilians, or to protect fighters or mortar/rocket launchers.
Some stuff may sound crazy on the first look, for example that Israel (had?) allowed no canned food to be shipped into Gaza. But the metal from the cans can also be used for military purposes.
All the reports from international sources that I've seen/read about the situation in Gaza they point to one fact: Hamas gets their hands on the goods first & they organize their distribution. Of course do their supporters get the most, their opponents nothing.
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It is a land, sea and air blockade, this incident just happened to be a maritime one which was a dispute about the land one
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Point for you, I meant a blockade is not a siege, regardless if it's on land/underwater/in space
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On the Gaza issue or the whole mess in the formerly mandated territories?
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on both, I wrote a little bit about where I come from on this issue, so did MH, now it's your turn