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Originally Posted by Diopos
@DarkFish
3rd generation Turks, in Germany, can't be considered "guests" anymore. You can't send them "home". They are there already.
And there are other ways to "analyze" the problem. Let's assume, for a moment, that there was no "West/Islam conflict". Communication skills (or lack of) of said group would (should) be addressed via the education system/ social programs etc. Nobody would suggest, at least officially, to throw out of Germany, German citizens because they talk "funny".
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QFT, thank you. If we would start "throwing out" people who can't speak, read and write proper German, we would have to throw out roughly 40% of the population in my estimate. If we include punctuation - 80%.
Also, what is this "behave as a German" bullcrap I'm reading? How does "a German" "behave", and do you (DarkFish) decide it, or do we need some official department for it? Last time I checked, this land was supposed to be free. And yes, that also includes freedom of religion. Freedom is always the freedom of the other. It is for ALL the people, EQUALLY, otherwise you DON'T HAVE IT. All that should matter is that people uphold
the law. You have no business to decide who goes and who stays based on how they "behave", as long as they don't break the law.
The real problem is that too often courts of justice are making excuses and giving quarters to criminals because they take their "cultural background" or some such into account. They are thereby promoting a condition in which some people, based on their heritage / community, feel less bound to the law than others, which is fatal. All people should be equal under the law, and the penalty should be more based on what they did as a crime, not where they come from or who their friends are.
In addition, "throwing money at the problem" should stop immediately, too. It is far too easy in general in Germany to obtain social welfare money. A lot of people - that includes actual Germans, but the number is obviously disproportional in immigrant groups - have willingly settled or foolishly maneuvered themselves into a position where they are irrelevant for the job market and live from the tits of the welfare state. At the same time, many of those are working in clandestine employment, maximising the ripp off. There are whole family businesses working like that. This needs to stop.
And last but not least, I think our immigration laws are far too lax. We should look much more closely at WHO wants to come here, WHY and HOW they plan to support themselves once here. It should be a lot more in their own responsibility to be successfull here than that of the state. You would naturally cater to those more constructive individuals by adhering to what I wrote above: Stop throwing money at the problem.