[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

YOU feel insulted...???

The insult lies in implying that keeping somebody in a box the size of three or four beds all day long, asking him every five minutes that he is not asleep and "well", and effectively denying him the opportunity to sleep - is not torture.

You misread it. He is not denied the opportunity to sleep. I don't know what right a prisoner has to not be bothered at all like you seem to be demanding. The man is on suicide watch! You'd prefer they just leave him alone so he can figure out a way to kill himself?

The insult lies in implying that his suffering is lesser than that of the troops in Afghanistan's garrisons. I'd prefer their "fate" to his any time I would need to chose.

Really? you'd prefer an IED blowing up in your face? You'd prefer eating dust and sweating your butt off waiting for the Taliban to attack? You'd prefer having scorpions and spiders bite you like what killed a young man from a nearby town that was stationed in that hell hole just a couple weeks ago? You'd prefer having your limbs blown off or being blinded to that nice safe cell? Please.

The insult lies in implying that just because his laywer claims his innocence, his guilt must no longer be proven.

I never implied that at all. I think he's guilty. I have the right to my opinion. You'll note that I am neither judge or jury in that case.

In the medieval, and later, even just 150 years ago, people were chained to the wall and kept in fixiated psoitions all day long, in order to "heal" their mental disorder, or to make it easier for prison guards. Much of what we see in Guantanamo, and now with the conditions of Manning's imprisonment, is not far away from that.

By that line of reasoning any incarceration at all is "not too far away from that". He is not being kept chained to the wall, he is not kept in a fixated position.

Normal people do not even treat their dogs like that. This is torture as severe as torture that leaves scars and bleeding wounds, this torture carried out in a way that it hopes to evade being labelled as torture, this torture that tries to leave no openly visible traces of torture. Like waterboarding, which is nothing else but the implementation of enforced physical and mental agony.

Now you're just being a drama queen. You just can't compare a heated cell and TV, book reading, visitor and letter writing privileges with torture that "leaves scars and bleeding wounds".

But it may help to make him agreeing to coinstruct - most likely: false - accusations against Assange having ordered him to steal the infomation, in exchange for reliefs of his imprisonment conditions. If there is one person America hates even more than Manning, then it is Assange

Yeah right, Just more unsupported speculation from a guy with a known history of bad mouthing my country. Tell me why we should listen to anything you say?