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Originally Posted by August
First you're assuming any of these claims are true Skybird. Do you have any proof of this from a halfway neutral source or should we just take his lawyers claims as gospel?
Second, from the description his life in prison awaiting courts-martial is still far easier than the lives of his fellow soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq who he has put at increased risk by publishing their operational details for our enemies to read and learn from.
Third, TV time and regular showers do not compare to electro shocks or kangaroo courts and i'm kind of insulted that you'd actually try to extend my statement to include them. Why not just claim that any incarceration at all is a violation of his rights and let the little traitor go free right?
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YOU feel insulted...???
The insult lies in implying that keeping somebody in a box the size of three or four beds all day long, asking him every five minutes that he is not asleep and "well", and effectively denying him the opportunity to sleep - is not torture.
The insult lies in implying that his suffering is lesser than that of the troops in Afghanistan's garrisons. I'd prefer their "fate" to his any time I would need to chose.
The insult lies in implying that just because his laywer claims his innocence, his guilt must no longer be proven.
You are overstepping the borderline to pure cynism, August. Or as I said in the headline: to mere will of taking revenge.
In the medieval, and later, even just 150 years ago, people were chained to the wall and kept in fixiated psoitions all day long, in order to "heal" their mental disorder, or to make it easier for prison guards. Much of what we see in Guantanamo, and now with the conditions of Manning's imprisonment, is not far away from that.
Normal people do not even treat their dogs like that. This is torture as severe as torture that leaves scars and bleeding wounds, this torture carried out in a way that it hopes to evade being labelled as torture, this torture that tries to leave no openly visible traces of torture. Like waterboarding, which is nothing else but the implementation of enforced physical and mental agony.
The waterboarding was introduced to create information. But torturing Manning like this, does not even serve the information business, which leaves a joy for cruelty, sadism and/or the desire to take revenge by making him suffer the only alternative explanations.
But it may help to make him agreeing to coinstruct - most likely: false - accusations against Assange having ordered him to steal the infomation, in exchange for reliefs of his imprisonment conditions. If there is one person America hates even more than Manning, then it is Assange.
Hi Osama. Long time no see!