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Originally Posted by Castout
That's a lot assumptions you have about God. Or did those come from personal acquaintance with God? Just because some people believe God is this or that or just because you believe that God is this or that it doesn't make it true though it might be perceived true even by the whole world.
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The only assumption I made about the christian god is that he judges people (partly) according to their beliefs (see the 10 commandments for example).
You obviously know the christian religion a lot better than I do, so if I'm wrong here, please say so.
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I also didn't mean I disrespect people who believe in other belief aside from monotheistic ones. I truly mean it when I said that I don't hate people with any other belief. Well maybe except satanism at least the real one.
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And neither do I disrespect people of other beliefs. I only disrespect the religions itself.
Also, you might want to look into what satanism actually is. It seems that you've got a completely wrong image of it.
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Before you think that Christians desrve to be attacked you need to differentiate between
1. The religious body: the physical organizational church
2. The scriptures or the basic teaching. Much akin to the constitution of a state
3. The doctrines which supposedly is based on the scriptures but more actually made by the religious body claiming authority
4. The people who believe in the scriptures and or
5. The people who believe in the doctrines and or
6. The people who worship God and or
7. The people who worship their religion and or
8. People who have been mislead to commit violence in the name of God.
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Maybe I should have made this more clear. I'm saying that christian
ism (so the religion, not the people) deserves to be attacked. So in your list that's just 1, 2 and 3 (and 8 but for a different reason).
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But the catch is if our intellectual development comes at the price of our spiritual growth then you can guarantee that we will bring a lot of suffering to our fellow man and even end up annihilating each other. This is not an exaggeration. People will simply regress without spiritual growth and become dwarfed and selfish and in return bringing chaos which is an unsustainable level of existence.
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This is a part where I couldn't disagree more with you. Atheists aren't dwarfed and selfish. They aren't any less friendly than the average religious person. Letting other people suffer doesn't depend on spiritual development, but on social development.
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All that would happen simply because we don't understand ourselves thus we don't understand our fellow men and all that is because we don't put the effort to know God and to grow spiritually. Because we never bothered to look INSIDE for answers to our most crucial and fundamental questions.
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Euhm, and what about science? It makes you understand yourself, others and the world around you better than any god ever could.
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Because we convinced ourselves the answers to everything must have laid outside of us or in things that never held the answers in the first place or that it never occurred to us to even begin to look inside so that we know much but not ourselves. Don't you know so many evils IF NOT ALL thrive because of ignorance and selfishness and lack of knowledge? In another perspective we may be deserving all the suffering in this world and even responsible for them to a degree personally and wholly collectively!
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I agree with you that we deserve suffering and that we are responsible for it. I don't see however what religion has to do with it.
I also agree with you that many evils thrive because of ignorance (lack of knowledge) and selfishness. But even without those, there would still be evil.
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yes we may be responsible for Hitler or for Stalin or for any other people that proved to be a monster in their time for many other people.
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I was comparing god to Hitler based on the assumption that god judges people based on their belief. If there's a god that puts people in hell because they are not christian, how is it different from Hitler who put people in "hell on earth" because they were jewish?
Again, if I'm wrong here, please correct me and I'll happily retract my statement.