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Old 11-22-10, 03:15 PM   #10
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BTW the rating scale is

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I doubt most of you would meet the requirements to be a psychopath, but statistically I bet there are more than a few here. Also this is not a self diagnosis kind of test (or one filled out by the subject) as psychopaths will lie. It is filled out after interviews with the subject, people the subject knows, victims, and personal history that is available. Plus the PCL-R is only good for the criminal non-socialized type of psychopath.

The scary thing though is we only have some idea about the numbers of non-socialized psychopaths (ie the criminal psychopaths). The socialized ones we know little about other than they exist, as they are not likely to self identify, or submit to testing/research. A lot higher corporate management types though are candidates given their own behavior and that of corporations (which are psychopathic entities themselves, most corporations score very highly on the PCL-R).


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I agree with almost everything that the video mentioned. Forget the video and just listen to the narration.

yes it may be very very hard to spot a psychopath but in the video it's mentioned that sooner or later they will reveal themselves thus one of the tactic is to wait them out.
Problem with that is by the time they do, its usually way to late. They are incredibly good at masking their true intentions and manipulating those around them. Most people don't even realize the person was one even long after the relationship ended.

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It's also mentioned that there's only two ways to deal with psychopath in one's life that is to evade them entirely but most often than not the time when he or she is recognized as psychopath, the damage is already done and more often than not since a psychopath takes pleasure at causing people suffering and pain he or she will continue his psychopathic actions.
Evading them is impossible, they are everywhere, and blend very well. Also I do not agree with your assertion that they take pleasure in causing suffering. One of the key components of psychopathy is shallow affect and emotions. Their emotional response tends to be flat to non existent (including to pleasure). So while they may find what they are doing amusing or entertaining, it is not pleasure in the conventional sense (that is sadism which is a sexual disorder).

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This leaves only the second way to deal with the psychopath, that is to attack him relentlessly. I made a mistake of giving a psychopath quarter and being mostly passive much to the deterioration of my health, well being and life.
I would actually suggest disengagement. Psychopaths are very dangerous individuals as they can be unpredictable, do not experience fear or anxiety, and have no social compunctions. This means they can kill you with out a second thought purely on impulse, and with no regret (at best they may regret getting caught). Socialized psychopaths are less likely to kill, but that is only because they can rationalize the potential consequences of jail or execution if caught. But with out the consequence of getting caught they would kill just as readily.

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Giving the other cheek doesn't work for psychopath what they need is strong action. They respect power thus fighting without giving quarter is what needs to be done.
As I said, I suggest getting out of the situation. They don't respect anything, at all. Fight them, and if they can't take you directly, they will do it indirectly or when you are vulnerable.

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The video also mentioned however to give a psychopath a way out to avoid him causing unnecessary damage when he's or she is left without a way out.
That is a possibility, though they may not take it unless they benefit.

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I'd say to bury the psychopath in the ground come what may. A psychopath is a very dangerous person indeed, a man which could literally make insane the sane good people over time. An active effort must be made to avoid becoming like a psychopath in effect after being a victim of one. They are most dangerous when they are people of power and wealth. But what made them what they are are also their weaknesses. Once understood they become easily predictable even to the point of dictating his every move by exploiting his thinking pattern taking away his initiatives and toying with him or her(yes I sound like one don't I that's what you get when you personally involved with one over almost a decade).
This is one area where I did not agree with the film. Psychopaths are incredibly unpredictable, even if their motivations are fairly predictable. Also psychopathy is not a learned condition, nor does it seem to be affected by environment (only the type of psychopath you turn out to be, socialized or not, may be influenced by environment). Psychopaths are born not bred according to all available present research.

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A psychopath is very predictable because in essence he or she is not a sophisticated person to the point of being primal. A psychopath keyword is desire and not rational thinking thus always judge a psychopath behavior from the point of view of what he or she actually wants instead of needs.
This is false. The level of sophisitication in psychopaths varies as much as it does in normal populations. Most are very rational, in fact many would say that is all they are... cold emotionless self serving rationalists. They may not always think things through (impulsivity) though. This doesn't mean they are not predatory. But they are predatory not because they are primal in nature, but because they have absolutely zero empathy, and emotions which are at best very different from 'normal' people.

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Once revealed a psychopath lost much of his striking power. But the revelation often came too late or too surprising that much damage is already being done.
Think so? I disagree quite a bit. They are still incredibly manipulative people and are extremely good at picking out your weakness and playing on them. I've actually known of clinical therapists in prisons who knew full well the person they were dealing with is a psychopath, and yet they still got emotionally caught by them, even becoming romantically involved with them (I know of one case where the therapist ended up facing criminal charges after planning to help her psychopathic lover and murder try to escape, and she was a health professional who was trained to work with psychopaths).

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I'd recommend for schools to teach about psychopath to help people recognize this disability in man and help those children deal with any future psychopath that may cross their life in the future.
I am not so sure about this. For one thing you will not spot them (and it will probably lead to a lot of false accusations). Plus the public tends to take such stuff and distort it.


Anyhow I suggest you do some reading of Dr Hare's work. He is the guy that came up with the PCL-R, and is considered one of the foremost experts in the field.
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