[Skybird]

You cannot be proud of what you have not acchieved yourself. That rules out to be proud of things like religion and nations. That is pride in the meaning of a collective habit that you have been taught. So: no positive from this kind of pride.

One meaning of honour is to do what you do as best as you can, and be wise in what you choose to do (or not to do). That way, you try to do what is right and appropriate for the need of the situation. But if you are proud of your acchievements, then you stick to them, gte loocked to them - and then your acchievements, may it be merits of service or solid results of your hand's work, are not yours, but you are owned by them.

I more follow a Buddhist than a Catholic understanding of the term "pride". For Catholics, pride as the most profound of the seven sins (which leads to the others) means the self-aggrendisement of the ego until it thinks it is equal to or superior to the grandness of God, and it means the perverted self-love that culminates in the hate on others. In Buddhism, pride is one of the ten fetters, which are ten factors that keep a human trapped in the karmic cycle of endless rebirths. That means a type of pride that for a description can use terms like "arrogance" as well as "staying stuck with acchievements" of yours because you wallow in sentiments of boasting with them. You cannot move on, you cannot improve that way. You allow blindness to paralyse you, and you deny the chance of true enlightenment to you.

And honour, it does not depend on outer symbols, nor is it connected to the rules of "outer" authorities and organisations. Honour is in what you chose to do, or not, and in the way you do it. Your deeds and decisions is what defines your honour - no external honour code, and no acchievements by others, and no rules by some group. What others believe we are,m means nothing, what we chose to do even when nobody will ever know is what defines who we are. True honour knows neither pride nor glory - it knows service, and duty.

Pride for membership in an organisation, pride of one's religion or country - is just pathos, and narcissism, and is directed against others. Nothing good can come from it.