[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by MH

I really don't think about it too much while eating my stake or god forbid bacon.
As I just don't care what Muslim eat or what god they prey to as long as they obey rules of democracy and human rights.(which some do even in Israel)

but they don't obey the rules of animal rights. Rules that us Westerners have to comply to, otherwise we get fined. But the immigrants are somehow above that. They don't have to comply to the law. Or at least not to the same law as us. Discrimination, eh?

For me is live and let me live my own life the way i want.
I remember you legitimizing hammas and now you segregate people according to food chain and talk about animal rights-kind of odd.

how is this segregating people according to food chain? I'm not saying muslims may or may not eat some kinds of food. I'm just saying muslims should comply to the same law as non-muslims. Why do muslims have different rights than non-muslims?

I don't think that forcing a person to eat pork or stunned cow will make him good westerner.

It's the law. It's not about being "Western" or not. But if they come to *our* countries, they should obey *our* rules, rather than have the luxury of being allowed to do what they want how they want it.

BTW, AFAIK cows generally don't get stunned, they just get a headshot with a pin. Instakill. No pain.

Originally Posted by Happy Times

And animals are not people, i dont see halal or kosher slaughter that immoral.

Hurting an animal isn't immoral, while hurting a human is? Strange. I always thought humans were animals as well.

In nature animals eat each other alive. So comparing to that, as long as you respect the animal you are going eat, its fine by me.

Because animals aren't able to kill "humanely". So weren't we, let's say 100 years ago. So weren't muslims 100 years ago.
But now we live in an age where it's quite easy to kill animals in a "humane" way without too much trouble. Why not do so?

And otherwise, if you insist on giving people the right to *not* kill in a humane way, give that right to westerners as well instead of only to muslims.

To me, respecting an animal means treating it in a respectable manner, and that includes killing it in a respectable manner. The cow doesn't care if it dies for Allah or God or whatever supernatural being. It just cares about dying and pain. So don't come up with the crap of religious rituals that supposedly are to pay respect to the animal. A slaughtered animal doesn't care about those rituals, it only cares about its feelings.