Yea, those surprise you when you get tordedo impact and it's your sub. I had two my last patrol. Usually they don't hit you unless your moving forward slow, which it the way most move. They will also hit you at scope depth. Seldom will they sink you if they hit, but usually enough damage you're heading back to base, so either stop when you shoot or shoot and dive deeper. If you're moving forward, they usually won't hit you until about the 3 circle around, so you do have time to check your attack map with contacts off or use the cam.
Good news if if a DD is chasing you they often will sink it. If I get a circle runner and DD's are chasing me, I'll just stay under the circle, they make a run, usually get hit.
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