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Originally Posted by greyrider
if i cant hold it constant, then ill know i havent got a 10 degree aob, then i make a decision, on how i can keep it constant.
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Greyrider thinks if he can hold the bearing constant then the target MUST be at a 10º AoB. This is so wrong it invalidates 1810 all by itself.
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Originally Posted by greyrider
it would take a small book to say what to do, how to turn, i cant tell you how for every angle targets come at the sub, and how your going to attack it, theres just to many ways, you should know this.
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Then why are there a couple of dozen different valid methods in the Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks thread, every one of which is much smaller than a "small book," every one of which tells you how to deal with how to attack all targets, have complete instructions with no missing steps and can be executed successfully by anyone with the desire to follow the instructions? Only a minority of them are mine, by the way and I hope people learn all of them.
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Originally Posted by greyrider
the tread was poisoned from the begining,
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Finally you're onto something. The thread was poisoned by an invalid 8010 procedure with badly written and incomplete instructions. It was poisoned by an author who had no intention of communicating instructions, only boasting of empty achievements: the very definition of a fool.
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Originally Posted by greyrider
someone can show you how to shoot a rifle, but until you put it in your hand, and try it yourself, you will never know what its like, and all the explanations in the world wont help you, you have to take it and shoot it to know what its like, 8010 is no different.
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You of all people know that there are many complete and effective instructional programs on how to shoot a rifle. And you know that just about anyone can be taught to handle a gun with proficiency. You also know that the instructor does not waste your time just bragging about his own impossible shots, he teaches you to shoot well. Many of his students end up shooting better than he does because being the best shot in the world is not what instruction is all about.
Instruction is about analyzing each and every step to the completion of a task, refining that down to a set of small, necessary and sufficient steps which can be easily learned and executed and then drilling the students until they can execute each of those steps perfectly, in order, under great mental stress and possible physical danger. The success of the process is not determined on how well the instructor shoots. We could give a rip about that. The success of the teaching process is judged by how well the STUDENTS can shoot! It's amazing that you actually went through that process and never understood what was happening! This is proof that proper instruction works on just about anyone, regardless of ability. Using the gun example perfectly proves my point. Thank you!
Now, carefully diagram, analyze and understand each phrase of the sentence in red and maybe you'd better go back to the beginning and do some actual communication based on a sincere desire to contribute to the knowledge of others, and increasing your own knowledge as well. A mark of an excellent instructor is that he invariably ends up learning more from his students than they do from him.
At this point, your students don't know how to execute 8010. Not one can determine target course from your instructions. Not one can determine target speed from your instructions. You fail.