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Skybird · 10-01-05, 06:26 AM

"In reality". If abrahams says so, it already is a contradiction in itself. He means: his reality.

Make your own conclusions if it really can be like Abraham's unbiased and competent remarks tries to make you believe.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env_co2_emi

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/top2002.tot (from: http://gcmd.nasa.gov/records/GCMD_CD...SS_MODERN.html )

Look at these wellknown data with a background of nation'S different economy sizes and production efficiencies ( latter index led by europe for heav industry, led by america for science, hitech, space tech, computer, military production, controlling global cash flow patterns and influencing financial markets), different population sizes, and different energy consummation habits, I once red a summary of this book on industrial efficiency: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item...ype=2&tid=3515

Use Google to learn about efficiency of energy production and distribution in nations, and you see that especially in the energy sector the Us is having substantial problems and the gap between europe and the US is big, not small. also, the european distribution network for electricity, oil and earth gas is simply superior to the american design that did not got modernized since a too long time for wishes to spare the needed investments. the many blackouts in american states, especially California, that were caused by inadequate supply systems and too excessive privatization speak evidence. When was the last time europe was effected by a majopr blackout not caused by heavy weather of any kind?

It comes down to this (and I have red quite some material on this over the years). Compared to it'S industry's size the US is a far greater polluter than would be needed and if adopting standards as they are valid in Germany or Denmark, for example. If comparing nations by means per head of it's population, it is very much off and away concerning energy consumation, pollution by CO2 and CO emissions, and general ressource consummation. In other words: the average American consumes far more gasoline, electrical energy, and material ressources (to make products of them) than the average European.

UN-sites hold plenty of statistics (comparisons between nations) on these things. Needs some time to search for them.

America is leading in many scientifc fields, computer tech, space tech, military goods (which all falls together, somehow), but it's heavy industry is vulnerable and still basing on very old structures and production methods for the most. The steel war some years ago was a very clear illustration of that, but it'S not only about steel. Europe does not lead in all heavy industry fields, in fact it doesn'T, because leadership many of these sectors already have travelled to the Far East. That the US is the biggest polluter in the world (CO2, CO, and some studies even say Methan (due to the massive artificial agriculture, intense stock-farming and Rice in special), while others point to the Far East in this regard (Rice) ) is because it so massively depends on old, aged production methods in it's energy and heavy industry sector. If it would modernize in these sectors it would cut jobs (an adaptation whole europe already went through, that'S why american steel cannot compete with european steel and thus Bush'S attempt to protect steel market at all cost), would lower subsidies (as it did throughout europe), and would lower emissions in general. There hase been emmission reduction concerning other polluting factors, up to 50% since the fifties (sulphur-based, and others), but these are not unique for America, but have been dumped in all Western world to comparable degree.

How someone who -judging by his lightweight remakrs - obviously does not know too much about this can nevertheless conclude that if there are differences between america and Europe they nevertheless cannot be big, remains a mystery. New in the program: "Abraham's world". And if the European hypocrisy is "well-known", than surely Abraham'S tendency to twist and distort or ignore facts until they match his views is as well-known by now, too.

I'll be off to Dortmund in less than an hour. Over the weekend you all will need to play alone. Behave and don't watch too much TV.

10-01-05, 06:26 AM	#34
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"In reality". If abrahams says so, it already is a contradiction in itself. He means: his reality. Make your own conclusions if it really can be like Abraham's unbiased and competent remarks tries to make you believe. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/env_co2_emi http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/top2002.tot (from: http://gcmd.nasa.gov/records/GCMD_CD...SS_MODERN.html ) Look at these wellknown data with a background of nation'S different economy sizes and production efficiencies ( latter index led by europe for heav industry, led by america for science, hitech, space tech, computer, military production, controlling global cash flow patterns and influencing financial markets), different population sizes, and different energy consummation habits, I once red a summary of this book on industrial efficiency: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item...ype=2&tid=3515 Use Google to learn about efficiency of energy production and distribution in nations, and you see that especially in the energy sector the Us is having substantial problems and the gap between europe and the US is big, not small. also, the european distribution network for electricity, oil and earth gas is simply superior to the american design that did not got modernized since a too long time for wishes to spare the needed investments. the many blackouts in american states, especially California, that were caused by inadequate supply systems and too excessive privatization speak evidence. When was the last time europe was effected by a majopr blackout not caused by heavy weather of any kind? It comes down to this (and I have red quite some material on this over the years). Compared to it'S industry's size the US is a far greater polluter than would be needed and if adopting standards as they are valid in Germany or Denmark, for example. If comparing nations by means per head of it's population, it is very much off and away concerning energy consumation, pollution by CO2 and CO emissions, and general ressource consummation. In other words: the average American consumes far more gasoline, electrical energy, and material ressources (to make products of them) than the average European. UN-sites hold plenty of statistics (comparisons between nations) on these things. Needs some time to search for them. America is leading in many scientifc fields, computer tech, space tech, military goods (which all falls together, somehow), but it's heavy industry is vulnerable and still basing on very old structures and production methods for the most. The steel war some years ago was a very clear illustration of that, but it'S not only about steel. Europe does not lead in all heavy industry fields, in fact it doesn'T, because leadership many of these sectors already have travelled to the Far East. That the US is the biggest polluter in the world (CO2, CO, and some studies even say Methan (due to the massive artificial agriculture, intense stock-farming and Rice in special), while others point to the Far East in this regard (Rice) ) is because it so massively depends on old, aged production methods in it's energy and heavy industry sector. If it would modernize in these sectors it would cut jobs (an adaptation whole europe already went through, that'S why american steel cannot compete with european steel and thus Bush'S attempt to protect steel market at all cost), would lower subsidies (as it did throughout europe), and would lower emissions in general. There hase been emmission reduction concerning other polluting factors, up to 50% since the fifties (sulphur-based, and others), but these are not unique for America, but have been dumped in all Western world to comparable degree. How someone who -judging by his lightweight remakrs - obviously does not know too much about this can nevertheless conclude that if there are differences between america and Europe they nevertheless cannot be big, remains a mystery. New in the program: "Abraham's world". And if the European hypocrisy is "well-known", than surely Abraham'S tendency to twist and distort or ignore facts until they match his views is as well-known by now, too. I'll be off to Dortmund in less than an hour. Over the weekend you all will need to play alone. Behave and don't watch too much TV. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.