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Skybird · 08-24-10, 10:49 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...l-daniel-pipes

(the article is basing on this paper: http://www.jidaily.com/4fU )

Refering to Thomas Kuhn'S famous and highly influential work "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" (if you have studied at university, you should have dealt with it, no matter your profession), it is claimed that the antipathy towards the US and the hate against Israel is nothing that could be countered by reasonable, rational arguments and laying out the facts in defence of both countries, since the hostile sentiment is basing on a shift in an equivalent to scientific paradigms, a shift in social-political perception that is leading the West to self-hate by (falsely) concluding that all evil in history is due to the exitence of national states - which must be overcome therefore, and replaced with supranational organisations like UN and EU.

Wowh, that is just one sentence!

In case this threads does not sink to the ground but leads to discussion: the name of the author or the place where he published, is no important argument here. Important is whether or not he can be confirmed in his argument, or shown wrong.

I am thinking since years like is being described in this essay, I just never have not put it all together so consistently. So it is no surprise that I agree with him and think his analysis is very good. To me the self-hate of eurocracts, their deep disgust for the historically grown identities of the different nations and ethnicities in europe that now they try to neutralise and relativise and eradicate, is obvious and self-presenting, and while I do not consider myself to be a strong nationalist, I nevertheless could use similiar words like Pipes opened with: although not being nationalistic (for the sake of being nationalistic), I nevertheless appreciate the scientific progress and civilisational developement, the ammount of advanced rights and freedoms, and the diversity of different cultures and habits in europe'S different regions, and i am aware of the tremendous cultural and scientific contributions my forefathers have donated to this, as well as the dark heritage of the Third Reich that tried to discredit all that shine in just 12 years of tyranny, terror and darkness. Seen that way, I am conservative, if conservatism means to keep what has proven its worth and merit, and getting rid of what has failed to deliver positive results.

08-24-10, 10:49 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A shift of paradigm: Western self-hate and the deconstruction of the national state http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...l-daniel-pipes (the article is basing on this paper: http://www.jidaily.com/4fU ) Refering to Thomas Kuhn'S famous and highly influential work "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" (if you have studied at university, you should have dealt with it, no matter your profession), it is claimed that the antipathy towards the US and the hate against Israel is nothing that could be countered by reasonable, rational arguments and laying out the facts in defence of both countries, since the hostile sentiment is basing on a shift in an equivalent to scientific paradigms, a shift in social-political perception that is leading the West to self-hate by (falsely) concluding that all evil in history is due to the exitence of national states - which must be overcome therefore, and replaced with supranational organisations like UN and EU. Wowh, that is just one sentence! In case this threads does not sink to the ground but leads to discussion: the name of the author or the place where he published, is no important argument here. Important is whether or not he can be confirmed in his argument, or shown wrong. I am thinking since years like is being described in this essay, I just never have not put it all together so consistently. So it is no surprise that I agree with him and think his analysis is very good. To me the self-hate of eurocracts, their deep disgust for the historically grown identities of the different nations and ethnicities in europe that now they try to neutralise and relativise and eradicate, is obvious and self-presenting, and while I do not consider myself to be a strong nationalist, I nevertheless could use similiar words like Pipes opened with: although not being nationalistic (for the sake of being nationalistic), I nevertheless appreciate the scientific progress and civilisational developement, the ammount of advanced rights and freedoms, and the diversity of different cultures and habits in europe'S different regions, and i am aware of the tremendous cultural and scientific contributions my forefathers have donated to this, as well as the dark heritage of the Third Reich that tried to discredit all that shine in just 12 years of tyranny, terror and darkness. Seen that way, I am conservative, if conservatism means to keep what has proven its worth and merit, and getting rid of what has failed to deliver positive results. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.