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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
Skybird, in essence, what you are saying is that every muslim in the world is bat**** insane like the fundamentalists. Do you apply the same to every religion?
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I talk about an idelogy, and I insist on pointing out that ideologies tend to have the nasty habit of educating people to take on certain attitudes, to accept certain beliefs, to run their thinking under certain pre-assumptions and preconditions tjhat are confrom with said ideology, and even to become intolerant towards others. If ideologies would fail in doing all this, they would not survive for long.
Islam is a fundamentlist ideology by essence and nature. It is totalitarian by design - that is an inherent feature, and it is intentional in being so.
Islam is not like any other relgion, Islam is more policy and about social and cultural control than anything else. It is deeply "monoculturalistic" and supremacistic.
there are fundamentlaistrs in other relgions, yes. Fundamentalist christoians tend to be in violation of Christ's teachings that did not support intolerant and aggressive fundamentalism at all. But muhammad has taught intolerant and aggressive, supressive and supremacist fundamentlism for sure. That is why fundamentalism in islam, different to Christianity, is not a violation or aberation, but is nature and essence of it.
So, i have a problem with religion where it steps forward and tries to seize the public space, because then it is no more a private thing of the individual's intimmate relation to what he/she thinks szhe must believe in, but it becomes profane powerpolitics. If kept private, I do not care for it, if you want you can believe in the flying spaghetti monster or the maculate conception
: I honestely do not care. Keep thy relgion to thyself, do not dare to bother others with your precious thoughts, you have no right to demand other needing to take note of your beliefs. but when you want others to believe the same way like you do, when you want public education, löegal system and social rules being chnaged to match the content of your beolief - then you get problems with people like me: becasue we have no doubt that freedom is by far the more precious good to be defended, for the sake of the few and the sake of the many, and not just for the sake of some powerhungry self-declare elites and supremacist demagogues.
If you have a new model for the world you want others to pay triubute to, then you have to convince people in the way it is done in scientific hypothesis-, theory- and model-building: the classic heritage of ancient greek philosophy. That is the best strategy to do things that human mind has developed so far. Everything else is just random chance, blind believing in the fairy queen, and unchecked hear-say. And that is not what has brought our culture to the ammount of knowledge and freedom that we have today.