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Originally Posted by Platapus
A sign of victory for the terrorists is that we we are so fearful of Islam that we are afraid to allow a Islamic Community center to be built because we think it will encourage terrorists.
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Always needing to give it a twist, hm?
I have not said that myself nor do I remember right now anybody here did say something like that. I for myself mentioned cltural claims made by an ideology, and i mentioned the historically established, culturally embedded symbolic message and meaning of certain buildings, like mosques, but I also mentioned the claim for power and control, superiority and dominance that estabolishing high towers in the history of both the occident and the orient symbolises.
I also mentioned the fundamantalistic background of the organisation financing the mosque building, I hinted at it's ultra-radical agenda, and that it is massive assalt on the feelings of all those who have lost friends and family members there.
And you just summarise all this as a vague - may I say you even seem to imply: irrational - fear of Islamic terrorism?
I'Ve said that before, and I say thatb again: Islamic terrorism in the West, as long as it does not go nuclear or biological, is the last thing I am afraid of in context with Islam. Not becasue it does not exist, it exists for sure and is solidly founded in Muhammad's orders to his followers. But becasue we can adapt to that. We can learn tom live with it. It cannot really destroy us.
What can destroy us as a functioning culture, are demographics, cultural erosion, self-denial of our identity and self-censorship of our historically acchieved values that define what we understand as "freedom", "justice" and and "human rights".
In one thing you are right, though. If there is a table with players around, and just one guy decides to not follow the rules of the game being played, he caqn spoil the round for all others the very moment he does not stick to the rules anymore. I see only two solutions: to give up the game and now play what he wants to play, or to kick him out, if needed by force.
I'm for the latter. For three reasons: I like our game muuuuch better, and I do not like getting bullied and giving ground to a bully, and I even do not like his game and rules for themselves. Not one damn bit.