In other news, i finally figured out how to create normal/bump maps in GIMP. Since the player subs can have that, but don't... that's my current project. I've already done the Gato, Tambor and Gar's hull. Doing the hulls first, then the conning towers. Textures won't look as flat anymore. Not exactly as spiffy as 3d modeling, but it's an improvement, and come to find it, its fairly easy to do!