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Originally Posted by Skybird
And I and Popper say that freedom and toleranc needs limits else they extinct themselves be becoming the cause of their own destruction.
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And who do you set up as the autocratic arbiter of these limits? Yourself?
And then you ask if I don't trust you? Sorry, sounds like a dictatorship to me. "It's for your own good", and all that.
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You are crucifying yourself over too much philosophical principal abstractions.
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Abstractions? Either you have freedom or you don't. That's not an abstraction at all.
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when the allied troops launched Operation Overlord, the leaders in the West hardly had any doubts about the enemy - the Nazis - being the correctly identified evil of the earth of that time. When you read reports about the Gulags in the Soviet Union, you hardly can debate the ammount of moral selfjustification that Stalinist system may or may not have as an inherent quality - it was evil: basta and period. And when you work yourself into the scripture of Islam and secondary literature about it, you hardly can miss the totalitarian, inhumane nature of the material, and the political intention that has driven Muhammad. It is the programmatic self-justification of a violent conquerer and murderous supressor, a racist and defender of slavery.
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You cite multiple instances of tyrannical oppression of freedom to justify your claim that freedom is its own enemy? Those folks didn't support freedom, they took it away.
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but also do not trust islamophile idiots running our societies today and dominating public opinion by nuking any critical thought about Islam by labelling that as racism and "like they did with the Jews" and hatespeach and whatever,
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When did I ever do that? I despise racism in all forms. I believe in freedom. Period.
As to the rest, I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, since if you don't you have no freedom at all. If they want to peacefully build a mosque, let 'em. It's not my place to say yea or nay. If they start trouble, then do something about it. Otherwise you don't trust anybody.