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07-12-10, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Enough eggdancing now. I must take from your manouverings that you think it is okay when free speech gets abused to destroy just that free speech. By that you certainly cannot be against anything anymore, not sharia, not Nazism, no racism, no destroying of the constitutional order, democracy and free thiught - if free speech gets destroyed because in free speech it was campaigned for destroiying free speech, you agree.

Note that form and quality of government that you constantly tried to evade to, had and has nothign to do with this orinciple dilemma. You remind me of Lance there, when he asked baout his paper two weeks ago, and got feedback that he missed the topic becasue he was to fixiated on things that were on his mind - but the question of the prof did not had asked for.

It is a very self-destructive understanding that you have of freedom in general - it lacks the concept that every lifeform on this planet calls a part of it's design: self-preservation. Without that, every structure sooner or later must destroy itself, or must get destroyed from the outside. Since you refuse to set limits for the abuse of free speech, you must accept any speech and the inention behind it. That leads to you necessarily tolerating everything there is - even that which tries to destroy you. Becasue if you would raise criterions that decide where your tolerance finds a limit, that would mean that you also define your own identity, shaped and created by just that: limits, borderlines of yourself.

Unlimited freedom that even accepts the other using his unlimited freedom to destroy oneself, jst for the sake of not needing to limit his freedoms, simply is a total self-denial, a rejection of anything one could claim as one's own identity. and such a structure, may it be a state or a culture/civilisation, or a persnality structure that knows no own borders/limits, must collapse sooner or later. Because it refuses to stabilise itself to the needed sufficient degree. In pychology, this is part of several forms of major psychosis and self-destructive tendencies like self-mutilation, masochism, and suicide. The porblem is always a variation of the same basic issue: if a persoan or a nation or a culture cannot differ between wehre it ends and the othe rbegins, "me" and "them", and cannot or does not want to say what it is and wants to be, and what it is not and does not want to be, then such a personality, such a nation or culture - is dissolving the borders between "me" and "them" - and then dissolves itself in the outside environment.

That is not "unlimited freedom" then, but that is "end of own existence".

"Der Frosch ist nicht Frosch, weil er ein Frosch ist - sondern weil er nichts anderes ist."

This is not just happening in Germany Skybird. This is happening in just about every democracy where people consistently attempt to mock and test the system to see what they can and can not get away. When they can get away with something they get more ambitious and move onto more and more taboo ideas to test against the system. They want the government to tell them "No", because this gives them a challenge and a way to sue for money and power.

Just look at how much things have changed in America in such a short period of time. Do you think homosexuality would have ever been excepted during Washington's time period? I think not. What about abortions? Nope not that either. Blacks challenged the system, then women, then gays, and on and on and on. Eventually it's going to be allowed for people to indulge in bestiality and other taboo ideas because the system just can't say "No". Why can't it say, "No"? Simple, because if you say "No" to my cause then I will compare it to other causes that you have accepted. Germany is saying "No" to any form of Nazism. While that's noble and the right thing to do, there are going to be activists that will consistently challenge the law until they eventually get their way.

You see, it will never stop. The system is designed to allow people to "freely" destroy it because "freedom" knows no bounds. And like I've said before in another post. Absolute "freedom" will lead to the world's destruction. Why? Because somebody will eventually argue that it's their right to destroy the world. If you tell them "No" they will do it anyways because who's going to stop them when nobody exists?