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Originally Posted by John Channing

Sorry about the delay, I had forgoten I was active in this thread.

What I was referring to was that a number of people who have been posting here even prior to the release of SH5 who had made up their mind it would be crap. It was usually coached in "clever" rhetoric and phraseology, but it was clear that they had a firm position that they were not going to deviate from, regardless of the outcome. You can easily recognize these posts because they usualy begin or end with " I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER UBISOFT GAME...EVAR!"

Now along comes SHV with all of it's challenges , real and imagined, and this same group goes right off the deep end with "told you so" and "you people are idiots for buying it" posts. A week or two of that is OK, but a thread started 3 months after the release seems to me a little much. What else can be achieved other that a self-congratualtory "told you so" fest that is not the logic behind subsim.com..

Making this type of thing even more problematic is the fact that, while the two patches have made small improvements, the work the modders have done is nothing short of extraordinary. SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that, so they fall back to their back-up mantra; "The Modders shouldn't have to fix it" and then (and this is the laughable part) go on to extol the virtues of SH3 GWX.

Lastly, and this is the telling point, we are starting to see the true strength of the real Subsim.com community. There is a thread where the real problems are being collected and itemized with the hope that Ubisoft might, at some point in the future, take notice and get in the game.

Whether Ubisoft does or does not is, to me, beside the point. For me the point is that instead of endlessly complaining about things, or patting themselves on the back for opting out, this group is coming together to try to make things better. The understanding is that if you are not part of the solution... well, you know the rest.

JCC

Very well said sir.