[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Not including the terrorist apostates,

are you now declaring the upside the downside and the left the right? What "terrorist apostates"?

23 Muslims died in the 911 attacks. (This represents 0.75% of the total number of victims. Muslims, in general, represent 0.6% of the population of the United States so the ratio of Muslims that died in the 911 attacks tracks with their ratio to the population.)

So what? Because non-Nazi Germans got killed in WWII - that made Nazism a more harmless ideology?

Don't the families and communities of those 23 Islamic VICTIMS deserve a place of worship near the attack site? Of did these Muslim victims only "get what they and all Muslims deserve"?

They deserve to be given a chance to learn about the true inhumane nature of that ideology they maybestill believe in and that is directly responsible for their family members gotten murdered in the name of the Quran. Bin Laden always has referred to the corruption of the true Muslim faith as laid out in the Quran and to the cporruoption of the rich arabic governments as well. and he is right in nthat claim, the Quran justifies lethal force against corrupted Muslims indeed, since they smudge the pirity of the faith. To give people of muslim cultural origin a chance to critically learn about what they take for granted, you must confront them with those critical questions that their culture since 1400 years has made a form of art to evade. This is the chance you want to deny to Muslims in the West when you think you do them a favour by fulfilling all their claims based on those 1400 years, so that they have no need at all to question thermslves and the ideologic basis of the culture they come from. - Ironcially it is some of the most prominent Muslim apostates and islam critics saying so. But what does that mean, when you know Islam so much better than they do although they had lived in it, studied it, even have acadmeic careers dealing with it. you want to believe in a rosy world where conflict is not known, and that vision you call peace and harmony and islam dances hand in hand with you and everything is hei-ti-tei.

Muslims did not attack us on 911. Muslim apostate terrorists attacked us. I would be all in favour if someone wanted to prevent a Salafi mosque being built there. But not a ban on any type of Muslim Mosque.

Wrong, it were muslim terroists, and Islam had all to do with their attack. It borders pure malicious cynism to label the strike a deed not of Islam. It was the Islam described and defined in the Quran.

You seriously suffer from a variation of Stockholm syndrome.

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Islam is neither peaceful, nor humane or humanistic. It does not know our concepts of equality, liberty, cultural coexistence, secularism, freedom, peace, tolerance - all these ters it understands and defines in a totally different way linking it to totalitarian concepts as to be seen in uniform societies like fascism. That Muslim terrorists also target and kill Muslims, means not much.

The strike on the WTC, btw, was meant to hit America and white Americans, America's culture, a symbol of it's leading economic role in the world. Collateral damages - in the Quran are considered acceptable (like suiicde attacks as well, btw), if the attack serves the purpose and interest of islam and it's spreading, and bringing death and destruction to it's opponents.

Yopu guys have not learned much neither from the Third Reich, nor from the literature our academic tradition has assembled over islam since over 250 years. You really started to remind me of the left opposition, the peace movement in Germany, and the RAF in Germany, all of which were massively infiltrated, controlled and directed by the great opponent of the West: the KGB of the USSR, and the Eastgerman secret service.

And what a great time and heydays they had! "Useful idiots" as well.