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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
I haven't studied Jackson that much, but I would disagree on Jefferson. I'm a huge fan of the man, and as I've said before I read seven different biographies of him between July 2006 and December 2007, including Dumas Malone's titanic 3500-page 6-volume Jefferson the Virginian.
While I admire him as a philosopher and scientist, I believe that both he and Madison were brilliant politcal theorists who weren't all that good when it came to actually doing the job. They both had their good points as presidents, but they both suffered from short-sightedness as well. Jefferson's embargo against England hurt American merchants without affecting the British at all, and his idea of doing away with the ocean-going navy in favor of a bunch of gunboats was silly at best.
Now that I think of it, I always put Washington first because of his qualities as a man, but as an actual politician I think he was weak. He did manage to keep the US neutral in the Anglo-French war, but as soon as Jefferson stepped down as Secretary of State he succumbed to Madison's finagling and authorized that awful Jay Treaty.
As for Lincoln, you make some interesting points. I prefer to see him as willing to do what needed to be done to keep the country together.
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But Jefferson was a slave owner himself. Look it up! Some think he may have even raped black women considering they couldn't really refuse their master! Funny how you'd side yourself with a man with such evil morals and then ridicule the South for doing the same exact thing!
Jefferson was a typical Clinton minded person himself. On one note he hated the idea of slavery but on the other hand he just couldn't stop himself from supporting it. Sort of like how Clinton hated drugs but later swore up and down he didn't inhale!
Heck, according to Clinton he was just using his penis as a tongue depressor to make sure Monica didn't have strep throat!
It was ANYTHING but sexual relations in other words!
Why would you support these sleaze-balls and liars?
Btw, the greatest president in US history was "Ike". He's the only one that I can see that didn't have some form of personal agenda and did the job to protect American's and America alike. Washington as well, but then again, he didn't want the job and was just forced into the position. Being first makes him immune from having any scandalous personal agendas to use the country for his own personal gain.
Worst president ever - Lincoln hands down. Forced the nation into a bloody civil war that's still really not over. Just not as bloody these days. He did this for personal reasons despite the unpopularity of the entire thing. Nobody wanted to go to war. He got the war started. Charleston was in the South. South Carolina had already seceded. Fort Sumter was in Southern hands at that point. Lincoln invaded the South. There are stories on both sides about who shot first. Of course the north claims the South shot first. Typical. We did nothing wrong - yet you're warships just happened to be entering the harbor! Give me a freakin break!
Second worst - Obama. Probably going to lead us into another bloody civil war. Also promotes socialism and redistribution of wealth. All anti-capitalist ideologies and that have been proven to fail. Why work if you're going to pay people to be lazy bums? Where's the incentive for people to want to work? Also, people are not happy under socialism. Why? Because there's no self satisfaction in it. Life is a game. Nobody wants the government to play the game for them (unless they're really lazy). People like earning things on their own. People like to explore their options and grow on their own. When the government controls the people, the game is played for you. You're just a puppet and life is dull and boring.
Third worst - Clinton. Allowed international terrorists to go unchecked during his entire 8 year watch even when they attacked this nation during his first 4 year reign. While his economic plan seemed like it was working out well for the country, it eventually floundered when the trade towers fell. Thus, he really did leave a mess in GWB's lap and left him no choice but to engage in a war on terrorism that is still to this day draining this economy more and more.
He was also a sleazebag liar that womanized and cheated on his own wife during his watch. That's unacceptable! All signs of a person who thinks they are above God just because of their political position in the country. Also, because he appointed Al "freakin" Gore as his running mate. Talk about another disgusting sleazebag! He is currently under investigation for sexually assaulting a woman in Seattle. Hope he gets slapped with a sex crime. He's just disgusting! Glad his wife left his disgusting butt too! I can't see why she stayed with him so long!?
