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Skybird · 07-05-10, 02:33 PM

Good point, Tater, which I also make time and again: Islam is fundamentalist by definition. If it is not fundamentalist - or as you say: not literalist - then it cannot be Islamic in the Quran's meaning. that is no circular logic by me when claiming that - it simply is an adequate description of the nature of this ideology.

I could as well be accused of "circular logic" when saying that Nazism is racist, and when denying their are more liberal, more democratic forms of Nazism. Nazism is by nature and definition racist - always, else it is not Nazism. A Nazi indeed refusing the racist component in it, is no real Nazi.

Muhammad used the hiding of a religion that he invented to make himself unavailable for criticism and quesitoning his leadership - by declaring such criticism a heresy that could cost the heretic his life. Muhammad's sermons are designed to acchieve maximum unit and support by his followers of his time, to make his army strong and not plagued by doubts or hesitations, and to intimidate everybody who could have meant a challenge to Muhammad'S claim for power. And for acchieving this outcome, this social effect, he did not need sensible reasoning and love for human kindness, but he enforced uniformity and totalitarian control. Only from this perspective it can be understood why the Quran is what it is, and is not any different. And only against this background the Quran can be "interpreted" correctly. leave the supoerstition behind, this is no book of metaphysical insight and divine revelation, but it is nothing else put a work of pure fiction of a single man that he opportunistically designed to support his powerpoltiical intentions.

Ron Hubbard, founder of the corporation of Scientology, 1400 years later: "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." And: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is."

Maybe for Muhammad, wealth and treasury also was a point, and maybe he started as a social reformer before he became known as a kahin, a seer. But in the end - he was about power, and women.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,674 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	uran Good point, Tater, which I also make time and again: Islam is fundamentalist by definition. If it is not fundamentalist - or as you say: not literalist - then it cannot be Islamic in the Quran's meaning. that is no circular logic by me when claiming that - it simply is an adequate description of the nature of this ideology. I could as well be accused of "circular logic" when saying that Nazism is racist, and when denying their are more liberal, more democratic forms of Nazism. Nazism is by nature and definition racist - always, else it is not Nazism. A Nazi indeed refusing the racist component in it, is no real Nazi. Muhammad used the hiding of a religion that he invented to make himself unavailable for criticism and quesitoning his leadership - by declaring such criticism a heresy that could cost the heretic his life. Muhammad's sermons are designed to acchieve maximum unit and support by his followers of his time, to make his army strong and not plagued by doubts or hesitations, and to intimidate everybody who could have meant a challenge to Muhammad'S claim for power. And for acchieving this outcome, this social effect, he did not need sensible reasoning and love for human kindness, but he enforced uniformity and totalitarian control. Only from this perspective it can be understood why the Quran is what it is, and is not any different. And only against this background the Quran can be "interpreted" correctly. leave the supoerstition behind, this is no book of metaphysical insight and divine revelation, but it is nothing else put a work of pure fiction of a single man that he opportunistically designed to support his powerpoltiical intentions. Ron Hubbard, founder of the corporation of Scientology, 1400 years later: "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." And: "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." Maybe for Muhammad, wealth and treasury also was a point, and maybe he started as a social reformer before he became known as a kahin, a seer. But in the end - he was about power, and women. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.