Yeah, I start running silent at about 5 nm out and stay that way, and get down to 450 feet before they're within 9000 yards, and at that point there's never any course change or other sign I've been detected.
It's right as they're passing over me (well, some time between 2000 yards in front and 2000 yards behind me) that I get pinged and alarms go off.
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