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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike
Serous question here...
Lots of people want the army to go in and secure the border in AZ. Normally that is the job of the US Border Patrol, a law enforcement organization. Does US law (Specifically Pose Comitatus) allow the military to act as a LEOs against foreigners on US soil?
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Yes and no. It would take a congressional act to authorize such a thing, and there is not one forthcoming, so I'm inclined to say no, but it
is possible.
Not that we'd ever want such a thing. The US military is a very large sword and it is not meant for such tasks. A considerable amount of retraining would be required and there would have to be very specific Rules of Engamenet and it would all be very expensive.......I don't think using kids with guns to secure the border would be a good idea.
Posse Comitatus is a particularly sensitive subject anyway, especially in Southern states, so again I see it as being possible but not politically plausible.
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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet
1. The US Border patrol needs to receive the funding and man power it needs and it should be allowed to enter this fight without having one hand tied behind it's back.
2. The US Congress needs to recognize these drug cartels and these criminals flooding across the border as aggressive, and name them a clear and present danger to the national security (because they are, we have already caught Al Quida sympathizers among them). Once that takes place, the military should intervene.
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I'd be careful with that kind of thinking, John. You really,
really have to make sure that you know what you're doing before you propose such ideas. I understand that you're concerned about the border situation, and I can certainly understand the concern about it being vulnerable to terrorists, but let's step back and look at it for a moment.
1) Why is terrorism a problem? That's a question I simply don't have the answer to. There are theories, but none of them give us a be-all end-all solution, so that's out.
2) Why is illegal immigration a problem? That's a question that I know the answer to, but it is also an area of concern where logic applies only infrequently. Like most issues of scale, it is purely about politics. Liberals want the votes and Republicans want votes from promising people that there jobs will be preserved. It is, for lack of a better word, a clusterfrack.
None of that will ultimately matter, of course. Nothing is going to stem the tide of illegal immigrants and the drug trade and whatnot. There is a very powerful, even primal source that is behind this stuff. People want to make a better life for themselves and for their families, and no amount of half-hearted dictation from Washington is ever going to change that. Even if you put one man on every single square foot of the US border, you would not fix the problem. Mexican immigrants may not be as smart as you, but they are smart enough to get around you. The same is doubly true for drug cartels. Trying to regulate such things is like trying to crush water. It is futility, in it's purest sense.
Instead of wasting our time and resources on this politically-motivated garbage, we should be concentrating our efforts on liifting the lamp beside the golden door. We're the best nation in the word for a reason. Let them in. Let them all in. This is place where you have a chance to prove yourself or at least make a decent living by trying.
We are the greatest nation in the world, and it is high time we started acting like it.