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Skybird · 06-12-10, 09:33 AM

As was ndicated in the Gaza thread, at one point in time you simply have to give up to make constant claims for ancient gepgraphic condtions from a long time ago, else oyu end up with Indians demanding the white man to leave, Aborigines kicking out the Brits, italians forming up the roman empire, or, like in that other thread, Palestinians wanting Israel being deleted and clocks set back by two generations. Not to mention Germany demanding back it'S now Polish and Czech territories, and South America being freed from Spanish influence. And... and... and... You get the argument, I'm sure!

The first Chinese dynasties formed up almost 4000 years ago, and the first territorial configuration that - separated into various rivaling Chinese kingdoms - covered most of modern China's territory today, roughly matches the middle time of the Roman empire (I know I know, it is a very short summary of history only, ignoring plenty of details on various dynasties). Different to Rome, the Chinese are still there today, after almost 4 thousand years.

I do not know of any serious, large-scaled military aggression and attempt of conquest beyond this roughly outlined territorial border. In fact China repeatedly fell victim to foreign aggression, namely the Mongoles, and Japanese, and also the West that exploited it's long-lasting stagnation. To what degree the Koreans (somewhat relatives of the japanese) also could be listed as invaders, I am not fully aware of. However, China expanded by trade influence, and also demograohic prerssure. The chinese migration movement into the Russia's (demographically emptying) south-eastern regions near China makes the Russian being able to sing a worried song about that. the vacuum the shrinking Russian population there has created, gets filled with Chinese. And again, it is the traders forming the spearhead.

In the end, the Great Wall was no offensive, but defensive measurement, different to the Roman Hadrian's wall which was build to defend conquests made by the Romans, the chinese wall was build on chinese territory that was with China since long.

06-12-10, 09:33 AM	#54
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,718 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As was ndicated in the Gaza thread, at one point in time you simply have to give up to make constant claims for ancient gepgraphic condtions from a long time ago, else oyu end up with Indians demanding the white man to leave, Aborigines kicking out the Brits, italians forming up the roman empire, or, like in that other thread, Palestinians wanting Israel being deleted and clocks set back by two generations. Not to mention Germany demanding back it'S now Polish and Czech territories, and South America being freed from Spanish influence. And... and... and... You get the argument, I'm sure! The first Chinese dynasties formed up almost 4000 years ago, and the first territorial configuration that - separated into various rivaling Chinese kingdoms - covered most of modern China's territory today, roughly matches the middle time of the Roman empire (I know I know, it is a very short summary of history only, ignoring plenty of details on various dynasties). Different to Rome, the Chinese are still there today, after almost 4 thousand years. I do not know of any serious, large-scaled military aggression and attempt of conquest beyond this roughly outlined territorial border. In fact China repeatedly fell victim to foreign aggression, namely the Mongoles, and Japanese, and also the West that exploited it's long-lasting stagnation. To what degree the Koreans (somewhat relatives of the japanese) also could be listed as invaders, I am not fully aware of. However, China expanded by trade influence, and also demograohic prerssure. The chinese migration movement into the Russia's (demographically emptying) south-eastern regions near China makes the Russian being able to sing a worried song about that. the vacuum the shrinking Russian population there has created, gets filled with Chinese. And again, it is the traders forming the spearhead. In the end, the Great Wall was no offensive, but defensive measurement, different to the Roman Hadrian's wall which was build to defend conquests made by the Romans, the chinese wall was build on chinese territory that was with China since long. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-12-10 at 09:45 AM.