According to Finnish media a new aid ship is approaching Gaza.
eskachig,
the US police and these commandos do not have the same set of legal rights and restrictions that govern them. US cops aren't allowed to take over ships and blast away at civlians in international waters, why should Israeli military?
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Cops aren't this disciplined or well trained.
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Riiight, well maybe in US they aren't.
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How the hell did you get that from anything I said? Your leaps of logic are beyond me. There are 9 dead and not all of them are Israelis?
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Palestinians, I meant Palestinians, or whatever nationality the killed people were.
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What's funny is that I'm pretty much in the middle, and only look conservative next to people like you. From where I am I can see very clearly that there is tons of vitriol on both sides.
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I'm actually a fervent zionist and Jewish myself but this time I'm making an exception due to the facts of this case.
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I don't think you're supposed to fight anyone unless you are prepared for the consequences. Cops and Soldiers are supposed to be cognizant that death is a real possibility. Anyone that wishes to open hostilities on a national military force should be as well. It's also the military's job to retain absolute monopoly on force, to make resistance simply retarded. Israel failed to present this equation adequately in this scenario.
And yes, some times one is simply forced to fight and that's all there is to it, it's either fight or die. This was not one of those times, and if the activists thought it was - well that was a miscalculation.
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Well they did die, because they were murdered by the Israeli commandos.
Hey I'm part of the Finnish military force, don't you go opening hostilities against me!
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I don't understand what you are trying to say. If I'm mistreated by police/military in some part of the world I hope I escape with my life, and I don't have many illusions about fighting my way through the authorities of some foreign nation. Yes, I do have every expectation that trying to attack a policeman or soldier in any nation is quite likely to get me killed.
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What if you didn't have a country to escape to with your life?
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False analogy. First, the situation you are describing isn't actually defense, it's preemptive attack. In some situations, preemptive attack is justified, in others it is not. Usually the most important factor is reasonable suspicion of intent to harm. If you attack a drunk person who wandered into your house - you are committing a crime, and he does have a right to self defense.
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Honestly, I'm trying to understand this analogy and see how it might be used to defend the idea that the shooting was justified. Are you saying that the Israeli commandos are like the drunk whom I can't attack? But the drunk (Israeli commandos) can attack me with deadly force if I were to fight against the drunk with non-lethal force?
It's still happened in international waters.
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Someone along the line may be guilty of negligence and bad planning, but certainly not murder.
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Are you saying that just because this is a military operation there is no way there couldn't be murder charges appearing down the line? Why exactly not?
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They were posted in this thread several times. But one of those running a blockade.
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So I could be killed by IDF in Finnish coastal waters. Ok I get it now.
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Actually yes. That scenario did not apply here.
Also yes. That scenario also did not occur.
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Actually yes. Both scenarios apply and occured here.
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This would be practical if a) Israel trusted the Turks, and b) the vessel could be continuously monitored through the entire passage. As it happens most of the time it's just easier to check ships at the destination.
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Well I guess the North Korea is ok in not trusting the South Korea then and is ok in behaving the way it does.