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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

How exactly? By having the right to defend against violence with lethal force if necessary which wasn't used btw?

First, metal pipes are a lethal force. If you come at a cop with a metal pipe you will be shot, I'm serious. They're not even going to bother with the tazer. The proper counter to a club or a pipe (or a knife) is another lethal weapon.

Which they were entitled to do according to law whereas the invaders are clearly in breach of all laws, maritime and other.

What law? There are laws that say that it's not legal to interfere with legitimate shipping (though blockade runners are typicall excluded), but there is no inherent right to repulse such attempts with force. You can either treat it as a criminal action and bring legal challenges, or you can treat it as an act of war - in which case the people on the ship are either civilians if they are peaceful, or combatants if they are not.

The Israeli commandos can be described as murderers, aggressors and genocidists who can be legally killed.

That is just silly. Though in general I think that soldiers in general can be legally killed. Of course, if you try you become a combatant and they can kill you legally as well. That's what war is for the most part - soldiers getting killed is tragic but it's not illegal.

The attack was against all laws, which is why Netanyahu is begging for mercy in global media right now. Not that this will stop the swift dealing of justice against Israel, the most murderous country of Middle East.

Israel has a long way to go to become that, though I expect far more out of a functioning democracy anyhow. This is a PR blow for them, no doubt, but I think you'll find that things continue as they are.

The whole world wants Israel to sieze to exist.

So? Israelis are willing to defend their land, and they are pretty good at it. Really, that's all it takes to make a state. Why is France France? Because Frenchmen bled for a thousand years to hold on to that piece of dirt. No other reason.

What you want a piece of me? If you want to avoid defensive action you should not take part in murderous operations which may very well lead to retaliations.

No, I generally refrain from fighting people from the internet. I was simply saying that a pipe is a decent hand to hand weapon when you can't use firearms. Your "had I been there..." comment is why I called you a tough guy.

I don't feel bad for any Israeli people, or Jews for that matter, now or ever. You're all clearly a bunch of murderous, law breaking criminals and murderers.

I'm not Jewish dude, not even slightly. But your attitude is pretty weird really, I feel bad for a lot of Jews. I feel bad for a lot of Russians too, being one, and Germans as well, and Palestinians, and Somali, etc. Most people who get hurt are just regular folks trying to live a life. Amazing concept huh?

Proof?

What kind of proof would you like? Guidelines for use of lethal force from any police department in the country would clear use of guns in this situation. I honestly think it would be more interesting if you produced something that recommends against lethal force when enveloped by an armed mob.

And murder people and break the law. I get it.

The question of breaking the law is debatable. But seriously, nobody wanted to kill anyone, the Israelis would've much preferred things went peacefully as they did with the other ships. And regardless of why boarding was initiated, once it did the commandos had no choice other than lethal self defense, hence not murder.