[Oberon]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

And how many civilians have died because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, this incident included?

MIDDLE EAST

Iraq body count:
96,394 – 105,130

Afghan body count:
13,372 - 32,969

Total:
109,766 - 138,099

(sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilia...n_of_estimates

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ )


DPRK

• Rummel estimates that the Communist regime of North Korea committed 1,663,000 democides between 1948 and 1987
  • North Korean victims: 1,293,000
  • South Korean victims: 363,000
• Courtois, Stephane, Le Livre Noir du Communism: 2,000,000
  • In Party purges: 100,000
  • In concentration camps: 1.5M
• 23 June 2003 US News & WR: 400,000 died in gulags in past 3 decades.
• The Center for the Advancement of North Korean Human Rights estimates that some 400,000 prisoners have died in labor camps since 1972. [http://www.nkhumanrights.or.kr/oldnkhuman/eng/nk/nknews12_01.html]
• Famine, 1995-98
  • 13 March 1999, Agence France Presse: (citing N. Korean defector) 3,500,000 deaths as of 12/98
  • 19 Oct. 2000 Guardian: 3M
  • MSF: 3.5M [http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/publications/other/deadly_2001.shtml]
  • 19 Oct. 2003 NY Times: 2M died in preventable famine.
  • 10 May 1999, AP:
    • The North Korean govt. estimates 220,000 famine-related deaths, 1995-98
    • US Congressional delegation: 2M
    • South Korean intelligence estimates that the population of North Korea fell from 25M to 22M.

(source: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm )

Any questions?