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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
@ @ Sailor Steve - Ms. Dunbar can claim to be whatever faith she wants, and want whatever she wants to be taught. I made the point that the statement that was quoted say "under God" - which is accurate. I also stated had they said "under the Xtian God" they would be wrong. I don't see us as disagreeing on what they may or may not have meant - but what was stated - was accurate.
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You said that these people said "under God", and not under the Christian God. Their agenda is very specifically Christian, and there's no denying that. I think a direct quote from the woman's book is sufficient direct evidence for that.
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I have not at all said that there is no "seperation of church and state"
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http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...2&postcount=14
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- what I have done is state that people take the term freedom of religion and have tried for decades to make it freedom from religion - freedom from having to allow others to practice it as they see fit, freedom from having others promote it as they wish provided it does not violate another persons rights, etc.
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But that phrase - "Not freedom from religion" - has been used by evangelicals to say that the government should be based in religion. Most people I've listened to don't believe that anyone should be denied their freedoms. The believe the Christians want to enforce their beliefs on everyone. The fear is on both sides.
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No man can be constrained to worship outside the dictates of his conscience - I agree - but I also agree that no man should be constrained to NOT worship in ways he sees fit provided that no rights of another are trampled.
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Then we are in complete agreement on that.
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And sorry - an elected representitive who wants to put the ten commandments in his office - or an elected judge wants them in his courtroom - well - vote em out if you don't like em - but if you stop them - your stopping them from worshipping as they see fit - and that violates the freedom of religion clause.
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Well, putting your beliefs in your office is your business. Putting up in a taxpayer funded courtroom is a little different. Do you want to go into a courtroom with Buddhas on pedestals everywhere?
And the protests aren't over private usage, they are over public displays on the lawns of public buildings.