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Beery · 09-09-05, 06:41 AM

The problem is, you have to show that a significant number of Greek ships were sunk AFTER the invasion of Greece and BEFORE the liberation of Greece. I'm more than willing to change it, but I have to be sure about WHEN the Axis sank those ships. I'm sure a great many Greek ships were sunk by U-boats, but the key question is WHEN? If Greek ship sinkings by U-boats carried on at relatively the same rate from late 1941, 1942, 1943 through October 1944 as they did before the occupation, then I'll gladly adjust the file. If, on the other hand, the number of sinkings dropped significantly, that suggests that the Germans were not sinking Greek ships during the occupation, or that not enough Greek ships (to warrant a change) escaped to serve with the Allies. The number of Greek ships serving with the Allies has to exceed the number of Greek ships serving under the occupation. If it doesn't and we change the Greek ships to be Allied during this time, that would be a move away from realism. Currently, all I know is that Greece was occupied at a time when the Meditteranean was basically a German lake. It seems unlikely that a majority of Greek ships could have escaped to join the Allies at this time. I'm sure many ships were sunk while trying during the Spring of 1941, but that's a different matter.

Note that in being conservative about this I am not attacking the Greek merchant marine. I know for certain that the Greeks hated Naziism more than most in Europe. The problem is that this is a matter of numbers, not depth of feeling.

Another question is flags. Did Greek ships under the occupation continue to fly the Greek flag? If so, that argues against Greece being Allied at that time. If not, then that's an argument for change.

Plus, there's the question of the campaign files - if you have Greek (Allied) ships sailing in Greek waters it's not going to be much of a problem for Germans to sink them - you just sail down to Greece and it's open season. I'm not sure what's in the campaign files - it's not my area of expertise - but it's something to be considered.

09-09-05, 06:41 AM	#3
Beery Admiral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA (but still a Yorkshireman at heart - tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...) Posts: 2,497 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The problem is, you have to show that a significant number of Greek ships were sunk AFTER the invasion of Greece and BEFORE the liberation of Greece. I'm more than willing to change it, but I have to be sure about WHEN the Axis sank those ships. I'm sure a great many Greek ships were sunk by U-boats, but the key question is WHEN? If Greek ship sinkings by U-boats carried on at relatively the same rate from late 1941, 1942, 1943 through October 1944 as they did before the occupation, then I'll gladly adjust the file. If, on the other hand, the number of sinkings dropped significantly, that suggests that the Germans were not sinking Greek ships during the occupation, or that not enough Greek ships (to warrant a change) escaped to serve with the Allies. The number of Greek ships serving with the Allies has to exceed the number of Greek ships serving under the occupation. If it doesn't and we change the Greek ships to be Allied during this time, that would be a move away from realism. Currently, all I know is that Greece was occupied at a time when the Meditteranean was basically a German lake. It seems unlikely that a majority of Greek ships could have escaped to join the Allies at this time. I'm sure many ships were sunk while trying during the Spring of 1941, but that's a different matter. Note that in being conservative about this I am not attacking the Greek merchant marine. I know for certain that the Greeks hated Naziism more than most in Europe. The problem is that this is a matter of numbers, not depth of feeling. Another question is flags. Did Greek ships under the occupation continue to fly the Greek flag? If so, that argues against Greece being Allied at that time. If not, then that's an argument for change. Plus, there's the question of the campaign files - if you have Greek (Allied) ships sailing in Greek waters it's not going to be much of a problem for Germans to sink them - you just sail down to Greece and it's open season. I'm not sure what's in the campaign files - it's not my area of expertise - but it's something to be considered. __________________ "More mysterious. Yeah. I'll just try to think, 'Where the hell's the whiskey?'" - Bob Harris, Lost in Translation. "Anyrooad up, ah'll si thi" - Missen.