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Originally Posted by kranz
I doubt they would. I bet they are more tactful than you.
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Yeah, cover it up.
Havin dealt with victims professionally in my past, I must tell you that for victims and their relatives it is not so much a question of tact, but a question on uncertainty which to end by getting answers is something they find relief over. You - only seem to be about a personal cult, at the cost of ignoring such possibilities of relief for the relatives. And that is very selfish of you.
Talking about that tact you just mentioned.
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and my comment on him in the previous thread,
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I forgot whether it was you or somebody else calling me names and calling me a swine there.
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Oh maybe not. Let the proofs of your ignorance remain unchanged.
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Yeah, keep on pumping oil into the fire, by leaving that headline in an unintended, potentially flamatory state that I did not wish to express that way, but did by lacking knowledge only. That'S what you really are after, right? A rumble?
Unfortunatley, this is not the first opportunity I recall where you mistake name calling with argument and personal attacks with posting.
A principal thing, adressing the mods:
do not warn me over anything here. In the other thread, as well as here, I was absolutely modest in stating what I said, and I payed respect to the tragic dimension and the human loss
three times. But Kranz thinks he has to defend a leader status of Kaczynski - the only figure in this that I do criticise and that many people here have criticed in the past years - that seems to be completely ignorrant of the shadow sides of the man. He raised the temperature needlessly that way, encouraging others in the other thread to follow that example. I got called a swine, an ignorrant, a Nazi, and now a mentally defective, with no reaction by any mod. The original comment by me was between me and Schroeder - and it was harmless, since we both wished, expressed and agreed in that hopefully the political ties between Germany and Poland now would improve again. And over that Kranz blew up. But it is a historic fact that there is a record of the Polish right, which is not a microscopic faction only, but has one third and more of the population as sympathisers, to raise Polish revanchism against Germany and to link the current Germany and it'S government with the Third Reich and the person of Adolf Hitler. This is also an aspect of Kaczynski.
This was mentioned by me in a
moderate, short comment, and I refuse to accept any criticism over that. What has been sent back in hatefilled reaction by two or three figures immediately starting to fire verbal offences, is not acceptable, no matter the mourning in Poland, and I wonder why it is accepted on this board when the forum rules speak out against it so very clearly. I got three mails yesterday from people telling me all the same: that they tend to agree with what I said, that they find it bad that the namecalling that came back in reply was accepted without warning by the mod, and this morning I see that both my comment and the vitriol in reply was deleted, as if the one was of the same severity than the other.
Against this relativisation I file my protest. Cautioning the personal insults, and if desired: separating the thread would have been the right thing to do.
If I would say that America is a nation of evil, that Americans (in general) are racist KKK-members and there is a trend in America for reestablishing slavery, all the wolve pack immediately would go after me and call death! and torture!. But when germany gets constantly pointed at as being a Nazi country, and the people and our leaders being racists and reincarnations of Hitler - then we Germans time and again are expected to just swallow that, to behave as if nothing has happened, and to just show a kind smile. OTH gets away with it. Tribesman gets away with it when calling me perosnally like that. Omne or two guys yesterday got away with it. In the past years where this happened so often, I recall only one or two situations where a Neal stepped in. After all it is just the stupid Germans getting attacked, and the Germans are good for three things only: to be called Nazis, to shut up, and to pay. Not to mention Hollywood...
The news I report in this thread, bases on information from Polish and Russian military sources, as i already said. Take that into account before anyone again dares to throw dirt at me for "not respecting the dead". I briefly checked healdines in the few english russian and Poish newspapers I have lionked, and all of them are already far ahead in speculating and asking questions about the causes. I payed tribute to the dead THREE TIMES in the other thread, in three different posts, but I refuse to pay any special tribute to Kaczynski for being a president, and I am not becoming more sentimental over this tragedy than I would become about a bus accident in a suburb of Casablanca. Let's face it, if it would have been a figure like Hugo Chavez gotten killed in an accident, nobody here would think about piety and relatives, but the air would bristle with jokes and ironic comments, and references to what a jester that guys was. I never claimed to be a holy saint being in emphatic contact with all the rest of mankind. Several thousand people died yesterday worldwide, and all of them are as close or as distant to me than those sitting in that plane. So do not expect me to cry crocodile tears. I have cried, on several occaisons - over the fate of people with whom I had any sort of relation, personally or professionally, or that I loved and knew.
Now, post in this thread if you have something constructive to say on its topic, or stay away. Personal insults are not wanted here, and I will not just swallow them again like yesterday. when the French airbus crashed in the Atlantic last year, there was a thread about possible causes, too, including pilot or maintenance errors. Nobody took offence from that. There is no reason to take offence now, just because this time it is a Polish plane.