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Originally Posted by Magnum
Actually Placoderm had right. It's exactly I was talking about. Only difference is that I was talking not only by how boring is the campaign, but everything in the game, including the historical mission and MP. Maybe if the AI would be smarter, maybe if the crew would actually count on the ship management things would be different.
Speaking about the campaigns I also had to pass on many convoys only because I was short on amo and the mission objective was asking me to sink a certain type of ship. For example in the first campaign hunting the damn carrier in Atlantic I had to pass at least 3 huge convoys because I had only 5 torpedoes left. How painful can be this sight for a real sub captain:
- bdu, I have a large convoy on sight, can I get them?
- No, we dont have any interest in convoys in this war, we need only one carrier sunk. And make sure that carrier is right in the middle of Atlantic or you will be punished.
Later on, operation weserubung was my nightmare. Sunk tons of battleships in Scapa right before the invasion, still that was not count for the main mission. Had to search the damn battleship for more than 3 day to find it and be able to complete the mission and the campaign.
Another example, the Western approaches campaign. Tried to do the Winston's Special mission, so I set up my patrols near Freetown where those troop carriers should arrive. I engaged 3 convoys and also a group of 3 Dido's with no result on mission. Then I got bored of waiting so I vent up in north Atlantic to try the British Supplies mission. Guess what.. no convoys for days, all reports of convoys was out of the mission area.
So yes, this is the boring part I was talking about, the mission objectives. Go out and try to find the needle in the hay, nothing more or less. So that's why I was thinking about some other kind of missions, more dynamic and fun. Instead of going out in the middle of nowhere and try to find the only target that can count for the mission and pass everything else, how about set up some dynamic mission areas where anything can happen.
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Well, at least I wasn't completely nuts in reading your first post. It is highly frustrating to me to have to save my eels for that one 'special target' whilst passing up perfectly good convoys...but with time and a few patches hopefully that will be fixed.
Ideally, what we really need is to have more user-made missions and campaigns...but that will take a while. I am trying to learn the mission editor, and hopefully someday Neal will have a dedicated Missions forum (unless there already is one that I haven't found yet) so that we can enjoy some more historically accurate mission designs. It took a while before RSRD (the 'Run Silent, Run Deep' campaign) was created for SH4, and that has literally transformed the game for me (
although I still suck...at least I suck in a historical way).
I still long for a truly dynamic world and more historical objectives that are in line with what a U-boat commander might face...but that is probably still months in the future, at best.
The problem with scripting is that everything relies on triggers, and if you miss that one most important trigger, then nothing works as expected. To design a mission that continues to offer challenge even if you miss a critical trigger can be very hard to build...but it is possible (primarily by creating dozens of alternate triggers and/or a global trigger of sorts). I used to design campaigns for ARMA and the original OFP, so perhaps some of that will come in handy...but again, that will take time that I may not have right now...but someone might, given time.
In any case, there is some hope since we have the mission editor to play with. For that, I am
very thankful!
